http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ Hawaii Hoops - Forum Tag: State Tournament en Tue, 22 May 2012 07:17:43 +0000 http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27747 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:40:33 +0000 TheJordanRules 27747@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>States 2011 </p> <p>Iolani has the clear path to title game and should be rested for saturday night's game. Tournament time will raise their level of play and wont play down. In the finals, I see them in a close game because they will make it close by playing not to lose and sitting on the ball, giving their opponent a chance to get back into the game late. But I see them winning a real close game with their experience and system. I see the #2 guard or Saito taking the last shot with bigs crashing the boards for possible put back to win game at the buzzer. Not sure if Lahaina has enough talent or experience to test the Raiders or can handle the big stage. Its the Raiders tournament to lose.</p> <p>Kamehameha if hot from the outside can beat anyone. Their scheme on both ends of the court matches up with Iolani and no doubt Micah is the best all around Hawaii HS basketball player. It will great to see his final tournament run at an other championship. Enos and their 3 point bombers should make it interesting. I see an all ILH semi in this bracket with cinderella AOP - what a story and unreal job by Marciel.</p> <p>Iolani - Kamehameha final. Like the regular season, should come down to the last couple possessions. I see a big shot or turnover deciding this game. Or can Micah carry the Warriors on his back and go out in style. Cant wait for Wed to get games started. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27718 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:11:42 +0000 kf20 27718@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Kahuku-Hilo very interesting matchup. Hilo plays FAST. In a single-elimination tournament, it is very difficult to prepare for a team like Hilo - it took Kam-Hi three games to truly develop a great gameplan for it. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27714 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:49:43 +0000 cocomonk 27714@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Traditionally OC16 broadcasts the McKinley HS games due to the fiber-optic Ethernet connections there. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27693 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:29:25 +0000 LivingLife 27693@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Anyone know about which games gonna be on tv wednesday? </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27692 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:28:12 +0000 dodger 27692@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Lunas 2011- Great guard play, three to four big men that are physical however they have not all been healthly this year at the same time. Could surprise if they get overlooked. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27690 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:49:04 +0000 PupulePaul 27690@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>dodger, my mistake. I was looking at the brackets and forgot that Kahuku is the second-place team, not the third, from the OIA, so I corrected that in the post on Hawaii Prep World. </p> <p>But it's true that in years past, the third-place team did get a favorable draw. </p> <p>Luna86, it's so hard for us on Oahu to get a feel for the Lunas. They're usually athletic and tough, but this year? I'm looking forward to seeing them. Sam Kiek (sp) was really effective last year, just didn't have a lot of help. Saw him at states and was very impressed. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27684 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:12:12 +0000 db 27684@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>The Farrington side of the bracket is loaded. Those games will be barn burners.</p> <p>I don't think Iolani will be challenged until the final round. It's about matchups and the teams that are most likely to give Iolani problems are in the Farrington bracket. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27682 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:57:01 +0000 Luna86 27682@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>like the breakdowns PPaul. </p> <p>Oldest school (in Hawaii) also West of the rocky mountains... run the table to there 1st boyz state title "LUNAS"....get chance?!? </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27677 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:19:12 +0000 dodger 27677@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>@Pupule Paul<br /> Great post. A lot of great insight from the beginning of the season to the end. I agree that the #3 OIA might have it "easier" than the #1 or #2. Moanalua might have to play three ILH teams to win it all while Kahuku plays very athletic teams before it can meet Iolani. Lahainaluna (23-5) played in the Hilo tournament losing to KH by 25 in the finals. It beat Hilo by 10 in the opening round. They played in their own tourny during Christmas beating two and losing to one mainland team. I agree that the seeding really does not matter that much other than 1 and 2 in DII. Seabury Hall is not the same team without Pagano but still could surprise people. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27650 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:42:21 +0000 PupulePaul 27650@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Net notes on state brackets<br /> <a href="http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/basketball/net-notes-on-state-brackets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/basketball/net-notes-on-state-brackets/</a></p> <p>Now that the seedings and brackets have been released for the state basketball tourney, some thoughts.</p> <p>• No, no, please … after you. As usual, the third-place team from the OIA has, on the surface, an easier path to the semifinal round than the league’s champion. Kahuku, which lost to Moanalua in last night’s OIA title game, won’t have it easy. Hilo is a dangerous team that ascended quickly during the BIIF season and nearly won the title in a league that is traditionally deep with quality teams. Then Lahainaluna awaits the winner, another team that is a borderline mystery unit. The Lunas have athleticism and talent, but is largely unproven, having stayed on Maui through the holiday tournament season on Oahu.</p> <p>OIA champ Moanalua, seeded No. 2 (only league champions that draw byes are defined as “seeds”), clearly benefits from an opening-round bye. However, AOP or Roosevelt will be their opponent. AOP has been ranked among the Top 6 in the state for most of the season. Roosevelt has been a Top 10 team for most of the season, as well. The same can’t be said of Hilo or Lahainaluna, which is why Kahuku may have an equally good chance — or better — of reaching the semifinal round.</p> <p>Of course, if Kahuku reaches the semifinals, No. 1 ‘Iolani — the defending state champion — is favored to be there waiting.</p> <p>• Gauntlet in Kalihi. The Farrington bracket is intriguing, and not just because five of the six entries are ranked in the Top 10. AOP and Roosevelt met once this season, at Moanalua’s Na Menehune Holiday Classic. AOP won handily, but mainly because Roosevelt split time between its starters and reserves. It was a move that coach Steve Hathaway deemed necessary to save some fuel, so to speak, for his starters in what was a long, weary nonconference journey. So, the two teams have not, really, met yet with their best ammunition on the floor.</p> <p>The other opening-round game, Kamehameha versus Baldwin, is a tough matchup for the Bears. The MIL runner-up wasn’t quite on par with elite teams during nonconference tournament play on Oahu two months ago, though Gabriel Ross stood out as an aggressive, attacking scoring guard.</p> <p>If Kamehameha advances past Baldwin, third-seeded Kamehameha-Hawaii awaits. This, to me, is the most difficult of the potential pairings in the quarterfinal round. Both teams have been among the Top 6 statewide most of the season. Kamehameha has spent the year hovering among the Top 3, deservedly so. KS-Hawaii knocked off Punahou in December on Oahu, lost a key reserve (Adam Andrade) to injury in the process, then had some speed bumps back in the BIIF against a rough slate of foes.</p> <p>The difference between the 2 and 3 seeds (Farrington bracket) is slight at best. Moanalua, which was 6-6 in the OIA before the playoffs, will have to deal with either AOP or Roosevelt. Conversely, AOP or Roosevelt will have to deal with the speedboys of Moanalua. KS-Hawaii will likely face Kamehameha, a state finalist last season that returned almost its entire roster intact, including co-player of the year Micah Christenson.</p> <p>The one factor that is probably overlooked by fans and/or HHSAA committee members is this: In the BIIF, every bit of contact is whistled for a foul. It’s normal there, tradition in some ways. On Oahu, much more contact is permitted, particularly at midcourt. This is a big reason why KS-Hawaii, with its swarming traps and intense on-ball pressure, was so comfortable during its swing through the St. Francis/Merv Lopes Classic in December. Lanaki Apele and Shaun Kagawa, plus a horde of agile, fast posts, will thrive again with Oahu officiating.</p> <p>A group of high-pressure defenders that includes long 6-1 to 6-3 athletes is a real threat to any team that struggles with turnovers. There are more than a few teams in this tournament that have fundamental problems even when there is barely any defensive pressure. Since defense is difficult to embrace from an empirical standpoint — teams don’t report steals and deflections and charging fouls taken — it’s understandable how committee members and fans will probably underestimate KS-Hawaii, a team I saw play twice.</p> <p>Other than that, it’s basically a wash. Sooner or later, every team has to face a really tough, seasoned opponent, whether it’s in the quarterfinal or semifinal round. For some, it will be in the opening round on Wednesday, when questions will begin to be answered.</p> <p>• History begat respect. The D-II bracket is never dull to examine. Two years ago, the notion of Pahoa being seeded second would have thrilled the Daggers and surprised most of the state. But a year after Pahoa’s rise to the state D-II championship, the Daggers are, indeed, No. 2 in the seedings for this year’s tourney.</p> <p>What’s also interesting is Island Pacific, a program with very little history in the state tourney, getting the No. 3 seed. Is it warranted? An argument could be made there. IPA won the ILH, nudging past University, a team that gave lots of D-I foes problems in December tournaments.</p> <p>The No. 4 seed, Kapaa, may be a sleeper, but I can see why the committee has the Warriors behind IPA. Without a stronger schedule, it’s not easy to justify the KIF champion higher than any of the top three seeds.</p> <p>Of course, in the eight-team D-II tourney, seeding is less of a factor. No byes.</p> <p>• Misdrawn, misfired? Farrington, to no surprise, got the No. 1 seed. The Governors are ranked No. 4 in the state and have a long list of D-I victims going back to the start of nonconference play. So why are they playing St. Joseph, a team that regularly competes and beats D-I teams both on and off the Big Island?</p> <p>It’s a tough call. A tight field (eight teams) means gauging St. Joe against other league runner-ups like University (tough when healthy), McKinley (beat Farrington once, nearly beat them again in the OIA playoffs) and MIL champion Seabury Hall. St. Joseph had its share of struggles, but has enough size and talent to emerge in the D-II final. The field is tough and I’d love to see every D-II game.</p> <p>• No respect? Seabury Hall spent nearly the entire season at No. 10 in the Top 10. Largely untested, but tremendously talented, the Spartans rolled through the MIL behind Dylan King and Phelan Pagano. However, Pagano suffered a knee injury late in the season and the Spartans are not the same team. Should they have merited a higher seed based on performance — 16-4 overall, 8-0 MIL — or potential?</p> <p>It appears difficult to measure unless (or until) they meet fourth-seeded Kapaa or fifth-seeded University at some point. From the bracket, it appears Seabury Hall is the sixth seed; Thursday’s opponent is No. 3 Island Pacific. They can prove the committee wrong in full, public viewing.</p> <p>Paul Honda, Star-Advertiser </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27644 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:08:32 +0000 jonnyboy 27644@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Kam-Kapalama Vs Kam-Hawaii matchup would be crazy good </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/d-i-d-ii-seedings-and-brackets-are-out#post-27639 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:43:10 +0000 PupulePaul 27639@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/basketball/hhsaa-boys-basketball-seedings-pairings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/basketball/hhsaa-boys-basketball-seedings-pairings/</a> </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3523 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:48:35 +0000 HIHoopsFan 3523@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>I agree! </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3522 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:00:57 +0000 HiSelect 3522@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Though it didn't pass this time around for the spring sports there is a greater likelihood that the state tournament will be shrunken down to 8 teams - which would suck. </p> <p>16 teams won't happen in the next 10 years at least. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3521 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:26:43 +0000 HIHoopsFan 3521@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>I think the only way the OIA champ will be the #1 seed is if the ILH teams knock off each other. Then the OIA champ needs to go undefeated, or at the most has 1 loss while the ILH Champ has 2 or more losses. </p> <p>Or, if Punahou wins the ILH title and since Kahuku beat Punahou twice, head-to-head, should be seeded higher. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3520 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:18:12 +0000 BasketballJones 3520@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>I agree, it is a huge advantage for the #1 seed. I believe the ILH champ has received the #1 seed for at least 7 years. It will be interesting how the seedings will look like, say, if an OIA school would receive the #1 seed. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3519 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:30:12 +0000 HoopFanatic 3519@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>If the ILH Champ is seeded #1, don't you think they really have a HUGE advantage with the OIA Champ, ILH #2 and possibly #3 going on the other side of the bracket? </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3517 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:25:39 +0000 BasketballJones 3517@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Hold on...I could be wrong about this being done like this forever. It just seems that its been done like this for awhile. I believe last year's brackets were done like this. </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3516 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:20:03 +0000 BasketballJones 3516@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Its been done this way forever. Some years it works out and some years it just looks totally unfair. </p> <p>I would love to have the tourney increased to 16 teams but I doubt that will ever happen, especially with the state of the economy the way it is. </p> <p>If there were 16 teams, where do you think the other invitations should go? </p> http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/topic/boys-states-new-format#post-3514 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:36:12 +0000 HoopFanatic 3514@http://www.hawaiihoops.com/forum/ <p>Hey BBJ, I think the ILH champion will have a huge advantage this year in states. Traditionally, the OIA Champ, ILH #2 and possibly ILH #3 are on the same side of the bracket.</p> <p>So potentially, it could be Iolani (assuming they are the ILH Champ) on one side, and Kahuku, Kamehameha, and Punahou on the other side.</p> <p>Kahuku may have to go through Iolani, Kamehameha, and Punahou to win a state title. If they do, they surely will be called the champion. </p> <p>Personally, I think the HHSAA should go to 16 teams, no byes, and seed them accordingly 1-16. The teams should be bracketed on strength of team, not reward league champs when traditionally 2 leagues are normally stronger.</p> <p>Also, I can understand where matchmakers don't want teams from the same league to face off on the opening night. But, to place league teams on the opposite ends of the bracket often reward certain champs to face certain chumps. </p> <p>They need to rewrite the language in the selection guidelines and make it possible to put a 3rd place team in the same league's champion on the same side. </p> <p>Each league should get 1 representative so sit on the selection committee with the HHSAA head to place the teams and seed them accordingly. </p> <p>The preseason should be used as a variable. Then the coaches would schedule tougher out of league preseason games and would take it more seriously. </p>