Does anyone know if the private school have the 5th year senior rule like many of the main land school?
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5th year senior rule
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None has it. I know of a couple of kids who graduated from high school here and move to the mainland to enter prep school as a 5th year senior and play another year.
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I believe some kids at an infamous private school could be 22. Jones, are you checking birth certificates around Oahu? Some kids look like they wouldn't get carded going into a club.
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Hey guyz, Just curious....What is the Age Limit or "cut off" regarding High school Athletic eligibility?
...and is it different from Public to Private as far as this age and/or rules?
thanks, in advance.
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I believe that you can be 19 1/2 at the state tourney. That is it. I could be wrong on that so if I am someone please correct me. But I had a player 2 years ago that was pushing the limit and we had to check and he made it by 1 month.
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You cannot be 19 at the start of the school year in your Senior year.
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Okay, so the Magic # is 19. Thanks guys!
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That's right, Luna86. But you also have to consider that an athletes "clock" begins once he enters high school. So with that said, if a kid will graduate at 17 or 18 years old, he cannot repeat his senior year at another school. Actually, I should say he/she can repeat but the athletic clock still ticks.
For example, if a kid repeats the 10th grade, he/she will not be able to play his/her senior year regardless of his/her age.
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@ BBJ,
Wow, is that certain? Regarding repeating (flunked a grade or held back for some reason).
If so (like your example), repeats a grade he/she will "not" be able to participate in senior year? Regardless of age?I thought it was strictly on "age"?
Very interesting...
Does this include both public & private schools ?
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Yes, I am certain about this. Held back or flunking, the athletic clock keeps ticking. I believe Josh Taylor, who is in the 11th grade at Punahou and is an awesome volleyball player as well, cannot participate in high school sports next year as a senior because he repeated the 9th grade. In doing that, Josh will be a 5th year senior. Unfortunate situation but what's awesome is Josh will have his pick of colleges once he graduates and plays volleyball at the next level. Awesome kid with a great family.
I believe this applies to both public and private schools.
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I'm almost positive BBalljones is correct...I knew a kid that went to africa for a year and when he came back he was ineligible to play his senior year...Really sucked because he wasn't held back or anything, think he went to connect with his roots or something like that.....
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Now, this is only in "high school" Correct?
Just to clarify....
If he/she was held back in elementary or intermediate for one year I'm assuming it doesn't effect there athletic eligibility in "high school" providing they are not 19 years of age prior to the start of the particular sport? Is this accurate?Posted 2 years ago # -
That's correct, Luna. The athletic clock begins once the student enters high school.
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I heard that in private schools down they hold kids back a grade especially if u play sports like they're getting red shirted, for example kainoa chu was held back and their stating post player sheer or whatever was held back to but when you get held back you don't play that season like your being actually redshirt pretty intense
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@ BBJ,
Thanks man!
@ mrtirade,
When you say Kainoa and Sheer were held back....was it in "high school?"
I've heard of kids in private schools being held back at the K-1st grade level...but not at the upper levels such as inter. or high-school. Although, I could be wrong...
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It happens more than you know, Luna. I believe a lot of the 'repeat' grades happen also in the 7th or 8th grade, as the child is applying to a private school.
This 'repeat' helps in many ways including transitioning into a more challenging curricullum and maturation both physically and mentally.
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We used to Joke around by calling this the "Cal Lee" Rule among our St. Louis Football friends! LOL!
Another Joke was that St. Louis High School was going "Co-ed!" Yup, they're bring in the "Boys!" LOL!
I have alot of Buddy's that "Excelled" at St. Louis High School Sports!
As a Student Athlete, sometimes (and not all individuals) Maturing Mentally by Repeating a grade benefits that individual in preparing for the "Work Load" of Study ahead.
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@ 2Dhoop,
I agree.
I personally think "it does" benefit not only the academic "mental maturity" but also the "athletic maturity" of the individual as well (but like you mentioned, it doesn't go for all). Sometimes kids peak "after" high school...any thoughts on that? (academically / athletically)
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Interesting thread. There could be a valid case here in the BIIF come next season. Fisher at Pahoa could be it.
Back in 1982-83 we had this kid move from Cali and for some reason the coach did not check his records. Joe Leialoha had some mad skills being that he played in LAX. We participated in a few O'ahu preseason tourney's in which he played lights out! As soon as we got back, au'we braddah was told he was too old.....We ended up losing to Kohala for the BIIF title. HoopHawaiian may know more on this.
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Jones I believe this rule is flawed if it is correct. I think if a kids plays his freshman year at say HBA, then he transfers to say Iolani and has to repeat the 9th grade. He would already have to sit out his 2nd 9th grade year due to the ILH-ILH transfer rule.
But I think the kid should be allowed to play his 10th, 11th, and 12th grade year. I don't think this kid should have to sit out his senior year, BUT ONLY IF, he is the appropriate age at the cutoff date of his senior year.
If he is too old, then he should have to sit out his senior year.
If you do it this way, he still will only play 4 years since he sat out his 2nd 9th grade year, and if he is the appropriate age, meaning he is still 18 by the approved cut off date, then he will have the same age advantage as other high school senior who didn't repeat the 9th grade.
Capish???
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@ OldG,
I could be wrong, but I did hear that Fisher is 16 years of age (turning 17 this year).
I know they had him listed as a Freshman for Pahoa this year...and I'm almost certain that he was a Freshman at Keaau high school "last year" and may have been held back due to academics prior to that (somewhere in Inter or elem.).
But I don't know if its facts...just what I heard in the community.
No pun intended but that kid really does look developed (physically) in addition to his "goatie" that he has stylin'
He's a playa' non-the-less!!!!@ HF,
Capeeeeesh!
Point well taken...I can totally understand your points!
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I didn't make the rule. I am just interpreting it.
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Capeesh?
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I am not saying you made up the rule. I am just saying it's flawed. If a kids is the appropriate age when he is a senior, and had to sit out 1 season due to transferring, why can't the kid play?
The kid would have only played 4 seasons like a "traditional" senior, and he would have no age advantage if he was the appropriate age prior to the start of the season.
Like I said, if the kid was too old, then it's tough luck and he shouldn't play his senior year.
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@OLDG! joe appeared out of the nowhere in my last 35 and over league! braddah still got it for 40! dont know the rule about age and 5th year rule here in hawaii, but i would like to see players play at schools that they and their parents are comfortable with, without having to sit out a year. there are endless reasons why a player transfers, coach doesnt like player or parents, player and parents dont like the coach, and in my experience THIS is the number 1 reason why players transfer. i just dont think a player should sit out a year for wanting to go a program he feels good about. let them go where they want, and let them play. its only high school basketball.
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