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1. Hi-Low
   Member

   The All-BIIF teams in every sport will create debates on who and who shouldn't be on the teams. But who would you pick on an All-Big Island first- and second-team for this past boys season?

   Here are my picks:

   2009-10 Hawaii Hoops Forum
   All-Big Island
   Basketball Teams

   First Team
   PG - Brandon Bautista, Kohala
   SG - Jacob Andrade, St. Joseph
   SF - Richard Handy, Keaau
   PF - Isaiah Ekau, Pahoa
   PF - Chris Mattos, Waiakea
   C - Thomas Fairman, St. Joseph

   Second Team
   PG - Matt Libao, Waiakea
   SG - Mitchel Shintani, Hilo
   SF - Thomas Naehu, Kealakehe
   PF - Dakota Allen, Hilo
   PF - Jayce Carvalho, Kamehameha
   C - Rokas Cesnulevicous, HPA

   POY - Jacob Andrade, St. Joseph
   COY - Harry Scanlan-Leite (SJ), Don Fernandez (Kohala)

   Supersub: Scotty Wong, Hilo

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. OldG
   Member

   1st TEAM:

   PG: Bautista
   SG: Andrade
   SF: Naehu
   PF: Mattos
   C: Ikau
   Athlete: Handy

   2nd TEAM:

   PG: Libao
   SG: Ishibashi
   G: Vallente
   SF: Lorenzo
   C: Fairman/Carvalho

   POY: Mattos/Andrade

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. Shaka6
   Member

   FIRST TEAM:
   PG Bautista, Kohala
   PG Libao, Waiakea
   PF Mattos, Waiakea
   PF Ekau, Pahoa
   SF Handy, Keaau
   C Fairman, St.Joseph

   SECOND TEAM:
   PG Scanlan-Leite, St.Joseph
   SG Andrade, St.Joseph
   SG Wong, Hilo
   SF Naehu, Kealakehe
   PF Morante/Carvalho, Waiakea/Kam-Hi
   C Cesnulevicous, HPA

   POY: Mattos/Handy
   COY: Scanlan-Leite/Lee

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Socrates
   Member

   @Hi-Low... i like your all BIIF list.. some would argue a little eastside bias but the east had a stronger schedule so your bias is justified..

   ...i think your list is pretty much my picks as well, although i would consider Morante as a possible replacement of one of the second teamers...

   ...in my earlier post, i asked the question if post-season play influenced season all-star picks and most bloggers said it doesn't.. but the picks proved it does--coaches gotta vote prior to states or else the state play-off biases will creep in, like it did with these picks..

   ...just a thought..

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. Luna86
   Member

   Thats interesting...everyone's picks (above) for 1st and 2nd team didn't include the 5 guards on "either team" that was posted in the West Hawaii paper.

   Cazimero (Keaau)
   Apele (Kam)
   Ishibashi (Keaau)
   Kawaha (Hilo)
   Ohara-Saft (St. Joe)

   Jus' saying...very interesting, to say the least.

   Posted 2 years ago #

6. Hi-Low
   Member

   Socrates -- Most of the completed BIIF ballots were submitted before the state tournament and a couple late ones came in the week of the states. So, the state tournament may influence some voters on this forum, but the states should not have influenced the overall coaches' voting because it was supposed be turned in before the states.

   I was told the instructions to the coaches were, voting is based on only the regular season and BIIF playoffs, that's it.

   I agree with you that Clayton Morante had a solid year and could fit in somewhere on the list. However, Lanaki Apele had a solid season too, but with so many guards, it's tough to find a place unless there are more players on the list. Tough call.

   Again, the West Hawaii Today all-star list is the "official" all-stars and there will be no change on that list when it is published by the Trib and Advertiser at some point in time.

   Thanks for your "just a thought."

   Posted 2 years ago #

7. Luna86
   Member

   BTW,

   @ Hi-Low,

   I do agree with you or rather have the "structured" position picks that you listed: (Like baseball, they take the best player/s for "each position"

   PG
   SG
   SF
   PF
   PF
   C

   There's no such thing as 4-5 guards on an all-star team???? When did they start doing that?
   Back in the day, it was:

   G
   G
   F
   F
   C

   Did you ever see 3-4 "First-basemens" on an all-star team????

   Posted 2 years ago #

8. Hi-Low
   Member

   Luna86 -- Many years when the BIIF picked its first official football team, there was no quarterback on the first team. (lol)

   When that was brought up, a correction was made.

   But I give the BIIF tremendous credit for trying and IMO there should be a meeting at the end of the league season to vote on the all-stars and take care of any other business. The meeting could be at a central location, maybe Honokaa, to cut down on the long drive to Hilo or Kona.

   Posted 2 years ago #

9. brew
   Member

   I feel it should be picked by position, that way we can see the best team. I hate to see in a couple of years where we have 5 point guards on the 1st team.

   Maybe they can make a 1st and 2nd team with a PG,SG,SF,PF, and true C. Eliminate the honorable mention and put together a fab 15. Just a thought.

   Posted 2 years ago #

10. Shaka6
    Member

    @brew

    That's a good idea!

    This would be my ideal way of doing it if D1/D2 East/West was'nt seperated. Make a fab 10 (each fab 5 with 1 player for each position), Have honorable mentions (1 player from each school), 1 COY & 1 POY.

    Posted 2 years ago #

11. BIIFHoops
    Member

    I like to see the 5 best players in the league instead of by position. The are some years when there are no centers or the league is dominated by guards. If the 5 best players are guards then so be it.

    Posted 2 years ago #

12. brew
    Member

    The only reason I like it by position you are able to see the best players at each position get rewarded. The NBA also does it this way. I also suggested the Fab 15 in my post which would reward the top 15 players in the league, along with the 1st and 2nd team.

    I might be wrong in my thinking, but I just felt when I selected an all star team, I would choose the TEAM that would play the best together against another all star team, and I think choosing a player for each position would be the best way.

    Maybe I'm kind of old school but I wouldn't want to see a team with 5 guards or 5 centers, it just doesn't look right. And this could happen in 2 years. Just my thought!!!!!

    2012 BIIF 1st team

    Lanaki Apele
    Kainoa Kawaha
    Shaun Kagawa
    Nick Fisher
    Deion Utera

    Just 2 much guards in my opinion, but they could be the best players in the league.

    Posted 2 years ago #

13. Shaka6
    Member

    @BIIFHoops

    True too I see your point. Thats why its good to have all different inputs/thaughts/suggestions.

    Posted 2 years ago #

14. Luna86
    Member

    @ BIIFHoops,

    I can totally understand your logic good point!

    But, Just my opinion...

    Best players by each, I think would be "all-stars" for "each" respective positions:

    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    C

    In addition, As of this day-and-age...we got 4 Guards, 1 Foward, and 1 Center on an all-star team....hmmmmm, doesnt that add up to 6?

    Go figure, can you imagine if baseball was like that???

    All-star team

    Pitcher
    Pitcher

    1b
    1b
    1b
    1b

    2b

    3b

    SS
    SS

    OF
    OF
    OF
    OF
    OF

    ...who's really getting the honors for there respective position????

    Posted 2 years ago #

15. OldG
    Member

    With all this chatter going on I'm glad I starred in the now defunct Hilo Student League. We had all the true playaz!
    But true, the top players should be according to positions. Could Fairman or Ekau handle the point? Do we need 5 PG's on one team? That's crazy! I'll put my cajones on the line and say that HANDY, MATTOS AND ISHIBASHI could play 3 positions at a high level and still make the 1st team. Same could be said for Naehu. But these are just my bench warming thoughts.

    Posted 2 years ago #

16. 96720
    Member

    Wasn't Dakota Allen,Jayce Carvaliho, Isaiah Ekau centers for there respective teams and if so why are people picking them as PF?

    Posted 2 years ago #

17. OldG
    Member

    Good point 96720

    Posted 2 years ago #

18. Luna86
    Member

    Personally, I think the only true Centers in the BIIF were Allen (Hilo), Fairman (St. Joe) and Rokas (HPA). Basically, they focused and/or isolated themselves more in the painted area, rarely dribbling and/or taking shots near the "low block".

    On the other-hand, However, Carvalho and Ekau played more of an inside-out game...taking 10-12 foot jumpers when it presented itself, drove to the basket (with a few dribbles) and had post moves as well. So, I would consider them power-forwards.

    But what do I know, I was a life time wata' boy for my high school.

    Posted 2 years ago #

19. manolo7777
    Member

    Isn't the BIIF all-star selections for all sports a Tribune Herald and West Hawaii newspaper operation? I don't think the BIIF has any part in this. If I'm correct, comments on this Forum could have a great impact on future practices knowing that Mr. O'Rear is a member...

    Another curious thing: Don't West Hawaii Today and the Tribune work together and share articles? Why did West HI "scoop" the Trib on announcing the BIIF all stars?

    Posted 2 years ago #

20. Hi-Low
    Member

    manolo777 -- The Tribune-Herald and West Hawaii Today don't have anything to do with the all-stars. The All-BIIF teams in every sport are picked by the league coaches and that is the "official" all-star teams. That is what the Big Island newspapers and Advertiser runs.

    The Advertiser and Star-Bulletin then pick their own all-state teams, accepting input from coaches and media from around the state.

    The Trib and WHT are owned by the same company and share stories, allowing both papers flexibility in running stories. WHT made the decision to run the All-BIIF teams' list, without a story, photos, etc. That is WHT's decision. The Trib will run the list with stories and photos in the near future. Which do you think basketball fans would rather see, a list and that's it, or stories and photos to go along with the list?

    The Trib ran the All-BIIF girls basketball teams last week with stories, photos and the list. That seems like the better route to go IMO.

    Posted 2 years ago #

21. manolo7777
    Member

    I hear ya, Hi-Low. I know its the coaches who make the selections, but is this a sanctioned (maybe this is the wrong word...) BIIF activity? I was wondering if it is the local newspapers asking coaches to select, then tabulating, and finally releasing the results. Or is it the BIIF executive secretary, ADs, and/or principals who control this? Just trying to see who is responsible so comments made on this forum as well as elsewhere get some attention.

    And, yes, Trib's spread similar to girls all-stars are worth waiting for. But I thought the 2 papers would coordinate and release results same day.

    Posted 2 years ago #

22. Hi-Low
    Member

    In each BIIF sport, the league coordinator for that particularly sport he/she is assigned to organizes and sends out the ballots, then when they get them back, they tabulate the lists and submit them to the media. The ILH and OIA do the same thing on Oahu.

    For example, Keaau AD Iris McGuire is the BIIF basketball coordinator and coordinates the all-star stuff. She is the one in charge. It's up to each coach to vote fairly on who they believe are the deserving all-stars. Of course, some fans will agree and others disagree with the final list. But that's how the system works.

    Once we get the lists, we can run them when we decide, depending on space available. WHT and the Trib work separately and at times work together. But the WHT sports editor wants to run the list as soon as he gets them. That's his call. At the Trib, we'd rather put a story and photos together to run with the lists.

    That's it. Hopefully this answers your questions.

    Posted 2 years ago #

23. Socrates
    Member

    ...@HI-Low.. your post raises a question.. why doesn't the TH take a complimentary role in selecting the all-stars like how they do in endorsing political candidates--which is an "all-star list of community folks" if you will. You could have the all-coaches selections and the TH selections..

    ..reason i mention it is cause i remember a while back.. a special big island writer (Mr. Peewee Kai) for the Honolulu Star Bulletin (or maybe he had connectins) wasn't happy with the TH all-star selections and after the season, during a baseball game, he came up to me and said-- "hey, try check out this sunday's honolulu advertiser sports section".. i did and sure enough there was a different first and second team--one that i agreed with more.. yet i'm pretty sure this was his selections and not the coaches..

    ...i think maybe somebody who might have less political pressure or somebody more objective (like Bill O'Rear) should come up with their own list.. no? actually might be too much for too little pay!!.. and now i thinking about all the other sports.. ohh well.. yet, do you know how Mr. Peewee Kai was able to write his own story and get it in the sports secton of Honolulu's SB..?

    ...random thoughts...

    Posted 2 years ago #

24. Hi-Low
    Member

    Socrates -- The late Pee Wee use to do a little stringing for the Star-Bulletin, providing prep and occasionally some UHH scores during his time with them. The SB let Pee Wee do his own All-BIIF team because they didn't really give the Big Island much play and his contribution added to their Neighbor Island readers' interest. The SB also liked to have something different than the rival Advertiser -- just like now, with the Advertiser having an all-state first and second team and the SB having a Fab 15.

    The Trib used to pick the All-BIIF football, basketball, baseball and volleyball teams. But as the league added more and more sports, and girls sports expanded, the league started to select its own all-star teams, just like the ILH and OIA.

    There is no way the Trib or WHT has the time or staff to follow up on picking all-stars of all the sports. If you notice there are usually five prep sports and three UHH sports or more going on during the fall and spring seasons and that's a lot to cover. The bottom line, they can't cover everything and even the Advertiser and SB, with 11 or 12 people on their sports staffs, don't cover everything.

    So, we're going to see the BIIF continue their all-league selections and the Big Island papers to use them ... and this forum gives posters a chance to give their opinions and own selections for the teams.

    Posted 2 years ago #

25. 96720
    Member

    So going what Luna86 stated above my picks are

    First team
    Guards Bautista,Andrade
    Center Fairman
    Forwards Mattos,Naehu

    Second Team
    Guards Shintani,Libao
    Center Rokas
    Forwards Ekau,Handy

    Third Team
    Guards Scanlan-leite,Meyer
    Center Allen
    Forwards Lorenzo,Carvalho

    COY- Paul Lee(waiakea)
    POY- Jacob Andrade(StJoe)

    Brandon Bautista was head and shoulder the best player in the BIIF,but Andrade had a slightly better year,if the award was for MVP then hands down Bautista would be the unanimous winner.
    I have chosen 5 players to make my 1-3 team picks,and i believe that is the correct way to do it

    Posted 2 years ago #

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