Does Kamu Lorenzo? He is about 5'11-6'0 and can handle the ball greatly. Strong, big body and good work-ethic.
Both transfers from HPA definetly do especially the lefty.
Anyone else?
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D1 College Basketball Potential in the BIIF?
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jonnyboy.. mmmm, D1 potential--that's rough.. more than ball handling skill they gotta know how to run an offense, get players invovled, hit the 3, drive and create, they gotta be super fast, and play killer defense.. nobody big island ready for D1 right now but there is a handful that i think can handle Junior College or NAIA... and for the seniors i'd say Lorenzo, Ekau, Andrade, Ishibashi, and Shintani get potential for this level of play.. never seen the HPA kids..
..thoughts..
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HPA's foreign exchange guard Sasha could play on the Vulcans right now...Not sure about D1 though...If he really worked on his quickness and better ball moves(and he still carries the crap out of the ball but nobody calls it..lol.) he could though...
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As a junior right now, Lorenzo is very exlosive with ball while dribbling, has a variety of moves (behind the back is most common) can pass really well (did a beautiful behind the back pass Vs Laupahoehoe) nice shooting stroke, ability to finish at the rim. Long, athletic build, fast. Competitive enough, and has excellent footwork, good enough grades, and not a headcase.
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I agree with the "Greek Philosopher" Socrates
....I don't think there are any potential DI "college prospects"..maybe JC, NAIA, or maaaaaybe DII...it's tuff in Hawaii (basketball in general).
Besides the exceptional ones....Size (Height) is a big key, then all the intangibles listed by Socrates need to be at a very, very HIGH LEVEL.It's tuff when your between 5'10" - 6'-5" and your traditional needed to play Forward or Center (in Hawaii that is).
Ekau - I would say Volleyball DII or maybe DI
Sasha - (from what I heard)...like bibbyboi said "Vulcan" type college programs, due to his size.
Andrade - I'm sure he could hook on to a JC (he reminds me of a young Anderson Hunt-UNLV back in the day.
Shintani - possible JC...but I honestly think, he'll be coaching a High school somewhere (like his bro)
Ishibashi - Vulcans...maybe...I dunno
...of course, this all comes down to what they got "upstairs" too guys & gals...SAT's, grades, etc, etc.
I think (for Hawaii) its baseball and volleyball regarding the next level (as far as the "major" sports)...oh and of course Football too!
...but hey, what do I know...my highest level of organize basketball was mini-basketball !!!????
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I think out of everyone Sebi Ohara-Saft has the best shot at a D1 program...Not saying others don't, I just think he has the best chance out of everyone...He's only a sophmore so he has time to work on his weakness'...But he's tall, can shoot and can handle the ball pretty decently...He just needs to work on his strength(even though he's gotten much stronger from last year he needs to keep improving), his quickness(same as strength), rebounding, and overall toughness...He basically just needs to work on his athleticism...And judging by his Dad's height he probably has some more growing to do...
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@ B-Boi...I think the correct word to use for Sebi is POTENTIAL. Let's see his progression next season. I think he'll be a good one.
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@ b-boy,
I would also include as needs; more "aggressiveness" but i think that will come with strength (like you mentioned)...so I think you could be right on what OldG stated: POTENTIAL
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Isn't that what i said? lol...I figured "having the best shot @ a D1 program" was the same as saying "he has the most potential to make a D1 program"...Maybe i'm wrong...But that's what i meant by that...
Also the Center from HPA has a ton of potential too...
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college ball is way different. A lot of these kids mentioned above have the potential to maybe play college ball, but they really need to work hard. All those shots that they are getting will not be there in college, and if there ball handling is suspect they will definately have trouble. College defense is nothing like they have seen, the pressure is unreal. You will not get too much uncontested shots, and as a guard you will probably not be playing against kids smaller than 6'. They will be taller, quicker, and stronger.
And if you are saying that the kid from HPA can play for the Vulcans right now, why isn't he scoring 30's every game and handing out 10 assist. You put one of the Vulcans in the BIIF they will score at will. Just my thoughts!!!!
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Just wanted you to use the "P" word my friend. Maybe you can get your father inlaw to train him. Could you imagine the POTENTIAL in that? LOL.
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Sebi is way too stiff to fight...lol...and he's afraid of contact so i could see some Kalib Starnes action out of him....lol...j/k...sort of...
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@ Brew, the kid from HPA has little to no help..He would probably average 10-15 assists if he had some help...And he's the main and basically only focus of the d...I'm not sure if he would start on the Vulcans but he would definitely get playing time...
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I agree, Bibbyboi. Sebi has the potential to be one of the finest basketball products from Big Island. Currently, I feel he is the most accurate pure shooter I've seen in several years. Being only a sophomore, he has some problems when rushed, but I think he will overcome that once he gains more strenth. I also like his attitude.
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@bibbyboi, thats fair. Sorry about that I'm just going by the newspaper and stats. I should watch before I judge him. And if it true what you are saying I hope he gets an opportunity to play at the next level. Peace brother!!!!
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...Sebi's worth being in on the discussion if he improves on the points mentioned above.. here's the deal.. i think if the goal is to be a star at D1, then our local boys with the potential should go to a JC cause the D1 recruits will look there more than they will a fresh or soph at a NAIA or D2 team... it's like once you choose NAIA or D2 you stuck..
...yet if they really like play D1 (say UH-Manoa), it's not that difficult--Arlen Bento (Waiakea) and Wendle Navalta (Lapahoehoe) played for UH back in the 80's and I don't think they had the potential like Sebi, Fairmen, Apele, Kagawa, Fisher when they was an underclassman..but the question is "did they have quality playing time and if they did, did they make an impact?" I gotta answer "NO", so they was better off going to a JC, NAIA, or D2. D1 is not for everybody.
...small advice to the potential college players.. choose a school where you going get playing time. At the next level, it didn't matter to me that we lost games.. what mattered is that i played cause being on the bench sucks!!!..rather play choke and lose every game then win choke and watch from the bench..
...some thoughts..
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MAN , THAT IS SO TRUE FOR COLLEGE LEVEL, BUT FOR THE LUCKY ONE'S TO MAKE PRO'S "RIDING THE PINE IS FINE" GETTING THOSE BIG BUCKS FOR JUST SITTING AND WATCHING KICKING BACK AND WATCH THE LEBRON'S OR KOBE'S DOMINATE.
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@Socrates, why is it that you felt like that? Just wasn't the same feeling as high school? Not as connected to a college in comparison to a high school? Just wondering...I could see why..I mean college is much more impersonal compared to high school...At that level it starts being more about what is best for the school's revenue....Sorry for all the questions, honestly intrigued why you felt like that...
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...@bibbyboi, i think all the playing time in highschool spoiled me and i started developing the attitude that if i didn't get playing time, i didn't want to play even if college was being paid for and that's what our current highschool kids are going through--i think, for example, if shintani play for vulcans and he sits on the bench all game, he'll quit.. a current example, take Aukai Wong--if he sits too much on the bench next year, he'll quit as well.. it has something to do with pride..
...you know, locals get plenty pride--friends watching, family comes out to the games, your local fan club looks forward to cheering for you.. all of that and you on the bench.. i no can!!!
..sooo the main thing for our young players with college potential is to pick a school where they going play--nothing wrong with keeping the NBA dreams alive is just that if they no play, nobody going notice...
..just some thoughts...
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@Socrates, Arlen was a really good player and if he played in the BIIF this year no one would stop him. He could shoot the mid-range jumper as well as anyone playing in the BIIF and he had great post moves(better than anyone currently playing). And I believe he was 6'3" with a very HIGH basketball IQ. Nothing to do with basketball, but I believe he is a lawyer today. He made really good use of that basketball scholarship. Just my thoughts!!! I may be crazy, but thats cool.
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Hey Socrates..thats so true! Regarding what most recruiters look for~ ~as far as levels;
Even with "baseball" I learned this past October (taking my son to Arizona) for a invitation only baseball showcase (full of recruiters) from DI, DII, NAIA, JC's and even the Pro's...is that they believe that "most" kids don't hit there stride or peak until they are in there latter part of there Sr. season or a couple of seasons "after" high school.
So, with that said,,,,most Pro's, DI's and some DII university's like to see athletes go into the Junior colleges (JC's) to develop more, and in-turn they will monitor and hope to transfer them into the DI schools following there Soph. season.
So, I did some investigating (for my sons sake) and looked at DI level rosters (IE: Rice, UCLA, USC, V-tech) and found that to be soooo true! Alot of DI schools recruit mostly from the JC level and they enter as a Jr.
Like I said, "not all" athletes go this route...but its very, very common!
I didn't know recruiters used the same logic for basketball too? Very interesting.Posted 2 years ago # -
oh boy...I remember going up against Arlen Bento (Wai)...he was a beast "to say the least"...he even had hair coming out of the back of his tank top (from his back)...beast I say, literally!...but in a basketball sense too!
Now Wendall Navalta (Lap)...thats one that makes you go, hmmmmmmmmm. Personally I think there were alot of other players "i'm sure, that were better in the BIIF...let alone the state that year!
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@Luna86 so true about Arlen. And thats funny stuff about his hair.
Wendall didn't get much playing time at UH Manoa, but he made the team, thats pretty cool. Wendall scored in the twenties and even thirties on a few occasions in the BIIF, and probably averaged 8-10 boards, but I believe he didn't win player of the year. There were players that was much more well rounded, and they also played on teams that were more succesful than Laupahoehoe.
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I'll admit...it was an accomplishment to even "make" the team back in those days (regarding Wendall Navalta)..but like you stated: "There were players that were much more well rounded" in which I agree whole heartedly.
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@ Brew and everyone else concerning Arlen Bento Jr. Though not gifted with speed and a quick first step, this man amongst boys (back in the day) worked extremely hard DAILY. He had his sights set on playing college ball. He attended UH Hilo, then finished his basketball career at Manoa. Currently resides in Florida where he's self employed in the golf business. He's a golf pro as well as a coach and businessman. All this made possible by attending college and making the MOST of his talents.
If our young men have the talent to attend and play at the next level they should be prepared to make the most of their opportunities. Brew you know what's up. Didn't you play division 1 ball? and started too?Posted 2 years ago #
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