In reponse to the Next Level, there is no next level for high school basketball players out of Hawaii. I keep hearing and reading that these high school players need to learn how to play Hawaii basketball. What does that mean? If anything, Hawaii needs to learn how to play mainland basketball. How many players from Hawaii have made it to a D-1 basketball team? Please don't go back decades. I'm talking about recently. Is that chirping I hear?
Why aren't our players making it to these schools? Is it the players? I see quite a few bloggers seems to think they have potential or are good. Is it the coaches,the refs, the "island style" of play? Or are our players lacking in some other areas?
The word around town is we have and had in the past quite a few capable D1 players but their grades weren't up to par. The same thing has happened with some of our football players. They didn't have the grades to make it to D1. Parents it's your responsibility to ensure your child has the grades to take them to the next level.
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D1 College Bound- NOT!
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hmm well you bring up a very good point...& in some ways i actually agree with you...i mean the talent level has decreased substantially in the past 4 years from when Kaimuki won states...
nowadays it seems like only three schools be snatching up all the talent on the island, Kamehameha, Punahou, & Iolani...i mean how else were these schools all able to make the semifinals??
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Loveand Basketball, concerning football, you better open your eyes, Hawaii has numerous players in D-1. Check Hawaii, Colorado, Notre Dame,etc. Per capita, Hawaii supplies a good chunk of D-1 talent.
Basketball opportunities are limited. This years group has some good individual players who can play JC or D-3, get in touch with the college game and possibly go D-1 or D-2 their junior or senior year.
You have Chu who is the most fundamentally sound player in Hawaii. You have Monroe who is the quickest, 6'4", with hops. Feldman is a true point guard. Fernandez is also 6'4", who can dribble and shoot the ball. You have lights out shooter in Akina and Manuel, some muscle in Storement, Richardson. Buckner and Johnson are young and will be outstanding prospects in the future. D-1 is great, but you find small great competition in D-2, D-3 and NAIA. Not all NBA players played D-1.
More networking, an all star game with sponsors will open up Hawaii Basketball.
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Numerous NAIA players made the NBA, Rodman-Southeastern Oklhamona, Mahorn- Hampton, Elgin Baylor-College of Idaho, ML Carr- Guilford. Google NAIA players in the NBA, you will find a list.
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stl hate to admit your right
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Thanks mrtirade. College ball will be a good experience. Networking, visibility lacks in Hawaii.
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Agreed
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alot of hawaii players can play at the next level but it's all about the exposure and how that player/family persues to play at the next level.
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Stl, didn't the majority of those guys come from private schools? What are our public schools producing? I realize that other divisions have good talent but I've never heard any high school basketball player aspiring to go to a D-2 or D-3 college. These choices are usually last resort! Also, your NAIA list is kind of old, Stl. I said "recently".
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Are we preparing our kids for greater things or are we only preparing them for the now which means winning a state title or getting a state appearance?
We have no shot clock. Most teams play a style of basketball which kids will rarely see at the D2 or D3 NCAA level.
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Howzit Hoop. There is no high school league in the country that employs a shot clock for regular season play.
Please elaborate on the style of basketball that you are talking about.
Thanks.
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BJ-
Sorry, but there are at least 7 states who enforce the shot clock.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2009117541_wiaa25.html
"In somewhat of a surprise vote on a contentious issue, Washington became the seventh state to approve a shot clock in boys basketball on Friday."
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My bad. What I should have said was, "there aren't any leagues in the country that has a shot clock AND at least two Micronesian players in the league."
Just kidding! Thanks for the clarification Hawaii Basketball...it just proves how much I really don't know.
Aloha!
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College basketball uses the shot clock. Regardless if other states have it or not, we should implement it.
Cognitively and for emotionally well-being, student-athletes will achieve greater success when the bar is set high. That is proven. When they see that we are using the shot clock and running more of an uptempo game, they know that the bar is being set high for them. What that means to me is slowing modifying both our rules and the nation's rules to become a little more similar to college.
Our kids are not physically gifted height wise. I believe our kids have a very good skill set, shooting and dribbling.
Since most of our players are limited due to lack of size, playing a slow down game could cripple them. In a half court game I believe size really becomes a factor.
Our kids are not D1 fast, but I believe they can handle the speed of D2 and D3 basketball from what I have seen, although limited versus watching D1 bball.
I feel that allowing them to run and spread the floor and run a quick offense will control the size difference and utilize their speed.
In a slow down half-court, everything is compressed and size really does matter. In an open game where there is much more space, I believe that size isn't as much of an issue.
If you look at all the shorter players in NCAA and NBA, they succeed more in an open style of offense instead of a slow-down grinding it out type of offense.
In the half-court, spacing, passing angles, room to operate change and really hurts the smaller kids in my opinion.
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I thought the shorter players in NCAA and NBA succeeded because they are just freak athletes.
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Well everything is relative. Basketball is often relative at the different levels.
You cannot tell me that Nate Robinson is any more athletic than LeBron. Just like Michael Adams isn't more gifted than Michael Ray Robinson.
I believe if Michael Adams was on the New York Knicks or Utah Jazz instead of the Denver Nuggets he wouldn't have been as successful.
Mugsy Bogues excelled in the open court. But when they sat off him, he couldn't hit an important jump shot to save his life. Spud Webb flourished in the open court. But when it got to the playoffs and the game was slower, he rode the bench.
Let's look at the ultimate small guy, Steve Nash. While he isn't a midget like all the guys listed, he is considered a smaller "elite" point guard. He is 6'3, but not physical and is rather thin.
When he was on the Phoenix Suns with KJ and Kidd they didn't run as much. He was a 3rd stringer. He wasn't that good yet, but you can attribute that to youth and sitting behind better players. So he was a role player at best.
Then he played for Dallas and Nellie who ran more, but still slowed it down at times since they had Dirk and Finley. He turned into an All-Star. 7-8 years into the league which is when he played for the Mavs seems to be the prime years for a PG in the NBA.
But then, at a time when a PG's production normally drops off, his stats, team success, and game improves. He turns from an All-Star into a 2-time MVP winner. He is the Barry Bonds of Basketball without the supplements. He is getting better with age. Or is he really?
He is getting better since the Suns run a fast-paced game where his size and stature is no longer a deficiency (relatively speaking).
He is in the open court and can take advantage of his skill set, passing, court vision, dribbling, and running, all the traits of a Hawaii Basketball Player.
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Living in Hawaii (being so far away) ~ Exposure is #1 then closely followed, is the Pursuit (like sweetbutta mentioned in an earlier post) by player and family to aggressively seek out potential colleges/clinics/coaches and showcases.
@ LoveandBasketb,
I agree with U~
Can't forget the GRADES / SAT's...unfortunately alot of Hawaii's talent keiki (in all sports) tend to lack the education part ...."student~athlete" (Student comes first)
As far as the "State" is concerned, I think we have some legitimate JC, NAIA, DIII school playa's in Hawaii and possibly, just Possibly transferring to DI schools in there Jr. year! (depending on development as an under-classmen.)
But what do I know?
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Congratulations to Iolani, solid team play and strong defensively. Chu is a complete player. I still remember Christensen, Sheer, Sukamaran playing in KBA.
D-1, D-2,and NAIA offer athletic scholarships. D-1, D-2, D-3 and NAIA also offer financial aid. D-3 doesn't offer athletic scholarships. If you do not have the SAT scores or grades, JC is the way to go. You do not have to stay at a JC the full two years. You reach 24 credits with a 2.5 average or above, you can transfer to a four year college.
No matter how good you are, exposure in Hawaii is limited. My son was able to play on the Hawaii Select team this past summer, started originally by Pete Smith. Ryan Hogue, Alika Smith and Wally Marciel were organizers and coaches. Tremendous experience. We played in Las Vegas, summer of 09, you seen the improvement of Hawaii players as the tournament progressed, getting quicker and more aggressive. Hawaii kids put in a mainland environment can compete. My son made numerous friends and got exposure from mainland coaches.
Some points to be made to gain exposure:
1. High School basketball coaches have to get together to develop programs ie: travelling teams to the mainland, attending Maui Sports Academy or Hawaii Hoops Clinic (Big Island). Coaches at these clinics are from the mainland and do actually assess the talent.
2. High School All Star game. OIA vs ILH. BIIF already as an all star game. This creates exposure and bonds players. Hawaii athletes go away to college and no matter what school they attend, locals will stick with each other.
Parents should film their child's games, make a highlight tape and a couple of game tapes, send them to prospective schools. Make contact with coaches.
I just returned from a trip with my son to see prospective colleges. Looked at JC,NAIA and D-2 schools. I had already sent game tape and prospectus prior. Coaches were impressed. We received some offers, but no rush yet, looking for the perfect fit.
Due to the lack of exposure in Hawaii, parents have to do their own homework and sell their child. This website is a good tool for exposure, selling our players. Put up highlight reels, testimonials on this website to sell our local players, they matter most, Hawaii Pride!
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Yes Hawaii ballers need the exposure...but were known for football and volleyball . We need camps and clinics year round...traveling teams to play in big time tournaments all star games to attract mainland coaches to scout the talent...pre and post season tournaments. Also our community college needs to start their own league (Ex: KCC , HCC , LCC ) imagine all those local players that would stay home...make it like a junior college to feed the big time NAIA or U.H.. theres alot of talent out there,..its just no one taking chances on them...
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Howzit gang. Hope everyone is staying dry this wet Monday morning.
I could be wrong, but didn't the community colleges have a basketball league a while back???
@wassup - Good luck with your boy. Great career!
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Thanks Basketball Jones. Your boy was a shutdown defender and he will be back next year, keep up the good work.
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All great points wassup.
Your son had a great career at Kalaheo. It's unfortunate that he was unable to display his talents and skills at States this year.
Everything you say above is correct.
Kids from Hawaii can compete at a high level, but often times will get overlooked due to lack of exposure.
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Thanks Ed, your son had an outstanding career, complete player. Good luck on Kainoa's future and he will do very well at the next level.
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Thanks for the kind words Wassup. Look forward to seeing you guys again soon...
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One way for our boys to check out their skills is to see if they can get onto one of the NCAA summer league teams and play against D-1 and D-2 college players. Last year I believe 3 boys from the ILH got to play in it and held their own. The 3 were Minns(Kam), Holyfield(MPI), and Viena(STL). D. Low, Kyle Pape, Julian Sensley, as well as the Chaminade, HPU, BYU-H, and UH Manoa players all play in this league. Though it is more of an offensive league, you do get to test your defensive skills playing against the best players on the island. I think you have to be invited to play in it, but in Hawaii if you know the right people you can get in. Good luck to all you seniors as you move on to the next level. I played in this league years ago and the competition is the best you will find on the rock.
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