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Guys who could have solid college careers

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  1. Hi-Low
    Member

    Over the season, bloggers have talked about current preps who could play at the next level, whether it's in NCAA D-I, II or III, NAIA or junior college.

    It's also true that there are a lot of Hawaii players who could play at one of those levels, but few, if any, have the physical size and overall skills to make a big impact in D-I.

    Size and skill level, at least in one or two specialized areas, are usually the overriding factors in a player being recruited by D-I schools. Of course, there are some exceptions, like former Iolani star Derrick Low, but most D-I guards are 6-4 or 6-5, and how many players that tall in Hawaii can play guard at that level?

    Most of Hawaii's top basketball talent is best suited for low D-I or D-II schools, where they could play and contribute. But here's a list of a few current players who have the talent and potential to have solid collegiate careers at the low D-I or D-II levels.

    -- Micah Christenson, 6-5 junior guard, Kamehameha. If he opted not to play college volleyball at a bigtime school, he could be a good player at the D-I level as a shooting guard, yet has the size to also play 3. Has a great understanding of the game with excellent ballhandling skills as well as good vision and leadership skills. Would need to add weight and strength, especially upperbody. Could be a star player for UH-Manoa if he went the hoops route.

    --Malik Johnson, 6-6, and DeForest Buckner, 6-5, the Punahou sophomores. Both are athletic and could grow in size over the next two years. They are talented physically and with more technique work (shooting, post, overall footwork) and added confidence, they could be the two dominant big men in the state the next two years. Both have the potential to play at a D-I school if they continue to develop over the next two years. They will make coach Alika Smith smile a lot for two more seasons when the Buffanblu should contend for state titles.

    -- Marcus Monroe, 6-4 senior, Moanalua. Is a talented athlete with a body that could grow some. He has solid ballhandling skills and vision plus the size and length to be a good collegiate player. Needs to improve his understanding about playing more within the team's system and improve his perimeter shooting. A gifted athlete who under the right coach, could develop at the next level. Played for one of the better coaches in Hawaii, in Greg Tacon.

    -- Kainoa Chu, a 6-1 senior, Iolani. Kainoa is fundamentally solid and plays within his strengths. He's an outstanding shooter, especially from 3-point range, and handles the ball well enough to be a combo guard, able to effectively to play the point or shooting guard. He'll need to get stronger physically to play at the low D-I or II levels. But he has a high basketball IQ and a tremendous work ethic. Lack of size hurts his D-I chances. If he goes to the right program, he'll be a contributer at some point, with his best chances at the D-II level.

    -- Nehoa Akina, 5-11 senior guard, Kahuku. Nehoa is an outstanding 3-point shooter and has the quickness and strength to get to the basket. He also has a high basketball IQ and could enjoy a solid college career at the D-II level. His father, Hiram, the Kahuku head coach, played at BYU-Hawaii and Nehoa would be a good fit for any team in the competitive PacWest Conference.

    -- Isaiah Ekau, 6-2 senior Pahoa. Isaiah is the wildcard in this group. But he's strong physically, with great athletic talent -- quickness and a 40-inch vertical. He's also improved his basketball skills 60 percent from a year ago, when he struggled to consistently hit a 15-foot jumper or was an average passer. This year, he was the best player on the Big Island and led Pahoa to the state D-II title. He wants to play college volleyball, where he's a definite D-I prospect. However, if he did opt to his focus just on basketball, he has a good upside to be a quality player at the D-II level.

    There are other players out there with the potential to move on to the collegiate level, it just depends on where their talent and size best fits. Good luck to all.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. bigisle
    Member

    Hi-Low...nice list and analysis. Referring to the other thread about Hawaii recruiting, here's a list that UH could look at. Not by any stretch could these players produce next year at the D1 level, but like you mention, they all have particular strengths that can be developed with a redshirt year and 4 years on top.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. BIIF-OFFICIAL
    Member

    True that Isaiah Ekau was the best player on the Big Island this year.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. StL
    Member

    Akina is 5'11"? Generous! Can compete in the competitive PacWest? Steinhoff is POY 2007, 6'4" at Hawaii Pacific and Minns is POY 2008, 6'2" at Chaminade are still learning the guard position. These two have height, speed and athleticism leading their teams to state titles.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. hoopsdelight
    Member

    I think Akina will get better exposure because of his dads connections with the mainland. He will end up at a School where he knows that he will get a shot at playing right away. He does have all the tools necassary to become a really decent college player. The only downside for him is his height, but there have been alot of players who have done it. Lets wait and see.

    Monroe will get looked at by alot of small schools, but will have to get in the weight room and develop some strength. He has tremondous upside if he can refine some of his fundamental skills such as, dribbling, passing, shooting. Other than that he plays above the rim which every college coach likes and he rebounds the ball really well. I'm excited to see how he does and how he progresses.

    Kainoa Chu has all the skills needed to be a successful college basketball player. He has the right attitude, learned from great high school coaches, and has the motivation to get better. I don't see him playing D-1, but I do see him eventually starting at a D-2, D-3 School and being one of the better players on the team. I'm wishing him the best.

    R.J. Griffin is a really nice high school basketball player. He is a nice kid with a lot of upside to his skills. I know personally that he wants to excel at a major D-1 School, but I don't know if that will be the case. He has the potential, but will really need to work hard in this offseason. The only problem he may run into is playing on a team with structure and cohesion. Mililani wasn't the most structured team at times so that may hurt him a little, but that shouldn't affect his performance come college. He may be a diamond in the rough that nobody knows about.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. StL
    Member

    Can Akina get his shot off on taller guards? Play in the mainland, 6-3 and 6-4 guards are the norm. Will there be somebody to run a load of screens for him to get his shots?
    Griffin is decent.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. hoopsdelight
    Member

    I think Akina can get his shot off because he shoots jumpers and has a pretty quick release. His ability to drive to the hole is what impresses me more. His shot is sweet, but has been against mediocre defenders at most. His ability to drive, rise up and finish is pretty impressive. Just my thoughts.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. DeanSmith
    Member

    Hoops, I totally agree with you about Monroe. I think he could possibly fit in any system. Akina will play at BYUH for sure. He might have a hard time playing for someone other than his father. It seems to me, if he's not getting the looks he wants he tends to disappear. Griffin, from what I heard is good in the books also. I wish him well but I think he will have a hard time with structure or coming off the bench on the next level. Chu, seems to be fundamentally sound. He may have a chance on the next level. Im putting my eggs in the Marcus Keene basket.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Dean, supposedly Akina is going to play college ball on the mainland.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Socrates
    Member

    ...@HI-Low, I gotta weigh in on this one.. "size and skill--the two biggest factors in high D-1 recruiting".. i think it's true and i hate that it's true.. help me make it not true.. i'd like to keep the dream alive for our 6ft local players.. here is my attempt..

    ...i've seen a handful of mainland point guards at 6ft but they had mean skill, quickness, and can shoot--but they still 6ft so that tells me that real height (6'3 plus), although it matters, is not a mandate sort of speak for high D1 recruiting.

    ...my personality is such that i think i set myself up for failure.. kind-of like, "don't play a sport if you don't think you can make it in the bigs".. in other words "be good, get good, or get out". I'm coaching a bunch of genetically short kids right now who all have dreams in competing against anybody (local mentality--no scad)...should i tell them don't make basketball your favorite sport cause there's nothing after highschool for you (cause you too short)..

    ...my question.. how would you respond to a kid, with all genuinness, who you know lucky if they make 5'10, who ask you "coach, you think i get chance for the NBA.. no seriously, you think if i keep working on my skills i get chance?"

    ...thoughts..

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Hi-Low
    Member

    Socrates -- College coaches are often trapped into the bigger the better debate. But like you, I truly believe it's more about the size of a player's heart and his or her skills that can help make them a successful player in college.

    Let's face it, the little guys are always the underdog. But many, many, many have proven at every level, including the NBA, that 6-footers or shorter players can play. Just look at Earl Boykins and Nate Robinson, or even ex-UH star AC Carter, as small guys who are playing against the best of the best in the NBA.

    Every player should try to live their dream and coaches should try to let them. If they work hard and are good enough, their talent, heart and basketball IQ will crry them as far as they can go.

    Look at Molokai's Jarrin Akana, he's working/coaching/scouting in the NBA. That's awesome. He was a 6-footer who played D-I basketball and has traveled the world in his chosen profession.

    That's why when people question if Nehoa Akina can play at even the D-II level, I smile because I've seen so many 5-10 or a little taller guys compete well in D-II and occasionally D-I. They are the exceptions, not the rule.

    I see Akina like UH-Hilo's Bryan Ngo -- a smaller guy who knows how to play the game and Bryan had a solid two year career with the Vulcans.

    The thing that Nehoa and all players will have to do if they want to succeed at the next level, is to keep improving and never let anyone tell them "you're not tall enough, not quick enough, not strong enough."

    I know from personal experience, if you develop your skills and can offer your team a valuable contribution -- shooting, passing, defense -- you've got a chance. And that's all many of the "smaller" players want, a chance to prove they can play with the big guys.

    Good luck, Nehoa.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. Socrates
    Member

    ...awesome... just what i was thinking and needed to hear... you are so right about everything you said... people (kids) gotta have dreams and, yes as adults we are aware of the realities, but that shouldn't deter kids from dreaming BIG...

    ...if you shoot for the stars, and you land on the moon--we'll you're still up there... i also like what you said about heart.. it reminds me of the old adage ..."it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog"...

    ...thanks again..

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. Kainoa808
    Member

    im sorry, but nobody in hawaii this year is good enough to play college ball at the division 1 level. if u follow any sort of college or highschool basketball outside of hawaii, u know this to be true. hawaii is unfortunately one of the worst basketball states in the country. however, every now and then, a superstar like Derrick Low makes his impact, but, sorry to say, i dont see any of those guys in the near future.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Hi-Low
    Member

    Kainoa808 -- In my opinion, fans should never say never. There are some players from Hawaii graduating this year that could make a D-I roster somewhere in the United States, with over 300 D-I teams.

    Does that mean they'll be a star or grow into a quality player? No, but if you saw Riley Wallace's teams over the years, they always had walk-ons, including several from Hawaii -- Waiakea's Arlen Bento and Laupahoehoe's Wendell Navalta, to name two from the Big Island, who made the team.

    Riley used the back-up guys and walk-ons on the "scout" team to practice against his starters, his top eight. Those reserves seldom saw playing time, but they were on a D-I team.

    I've seen hundreds of college games over the years and there have been many coaches who after their scholarship allotment was filled, used lesser talented players to fill out the roster. And there have been a lot of times when a seldom used reserve got to play due to injuries and illness with the top players. There have been a few times when an unheralded walk-on made a D-I team and eventually developed into a solid contributer as a starter.

    So, to throw a complete denial on Hawaii players ever playing at the D-I level, is not realistic. I think you have to be open that someone might get a break and make a team and sneak in a few minutes during the season. It's about opportunity and being in the right place/program at the right time.

    I'm not dissing you, I'm just saying, like Socrates believes, you've got to let the players go for it. If they go and can't make the D-I team or make it and realize they're never going to get much playing time, then they have the option to transfer, possibly to a smaller school to continue their dream on a smaller scale, but one where they get to play.

    Yes, I agree Derrick Low is an exceptional player and an exceptional person. But there have been others from Hawaii with enough talent to go on and do well at least at the D-II or NAIA level.

    Iolani's Kyle Pape is a perfect example. He had some D-I interest but instead chose Colorado School of Mines, a D-II school where he could play and get a great education. It worked out for Kyle, who became a high-scoring all-conference player.

    That's why this year's top players, next year's and in the future need to live the dream. And who knows, maybe the new UH-Manoa coach will want some Hawaii talent and know how to help develop them over a four- or five-year (after redshirting) period.

    I just hope we see more Hawaii players in the future being some of the top players on the Hawaii D-II teams and, occasionally, a Hawaii player becoming a productive player for the Rainbow Warriors.

    Can you imagine if Derrick Low had played four years for UH-Manoa. Now, I think that would have produced some great memories.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. mrtirade
    Member

    There more talent than just those guys but yeah Marcus Keene if he stays at 5 foot 2 inches or even gets taller to 5 foot 8 inches he's gonna
    have a big problem, I also agree on the fact that size matters some kids gets scholarships just for being big, I just believe in if u wanna be somebody out of Hawaii and your small you gotta play big meaning not be scared always go up strong have court vision and defense but if ur big then you gotta be able to play small to be somebody, you gotta be able to handle the ball have court vision be agile and good defense and if you can do that and put up points then your set for college.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. RooseveltCoach
    Member

    There are some real good players out here, it's just that they don't compare to the talent from the mainland. The size is the biggest thing. Then there is the fact that those mainland kids play year round. Kids out here don't play as much. I remember when I was in high school back home, we would go to the parks and play everyday during summer. Then we would get in our own leagues if the coach didn't find us one. We played in leagues 5 nights a week. And then we would go and play at a friends house all night until the neighbors called the cops. We would work the girls in on the weekends. haha

    But there are a lot of kids out here that can play at a D2 or D3 level. I have had a lot of coaches contact me about Kaipo Pale and have wanted info on him. Mostly D2 schools. There are a lot of other real good players out here. They just need to work on their game a little more. I just had this conversation with Richard Herring last night. He is going to get another chance with a school down south. I told him to work on getting his shot more consistent and getting a quicker release. He also needs to work more ball-handling. On the mainland the kids are bigger so you have to be able to have a quicker shot without changing your shot too much. When I play with our team, they always get mad because they play good D but I always get my shot off. That and the fact that my coaching staff talks a lot of shit to them when we beat them.

    To all the players out here, keep working on your game and give your coaches some schools that you are interested in before your senior year. Don't wait until then. Get your name out there early so that they can follow you during you senior year. Take Care.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Keene said he should be at least 6'2 by his senior year. If that kid grows to 6'3 or above, I believe he will be a legitimate Division I prospect.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Are you serious, HF? Or are you being facetious?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I'm being serious.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. RooseveltCoach
    Member

    I like the way that Keene plays. He plays with a lot of emotion. Very quick with the ball and he shoots pretty good for a freshman. I don't know about 6'2, but he is still young so you never know. Hoop, are his parents tall? A friend of mine in school was about 5'4 as a freshman and he is 6'3" now so it can happen. He hit his growth spurt during our senior year and right after.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. InvictusManeo25
    Member

    I love that kid Keene, love his passion! You see him dance at the state tourny? Better that the Kam cheerleader! The whole Moanalua team can dance.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. RooseveltCoach
    Member

    I think that was the best part of the tourney, watching them dance during time outs. Is that part of the practice plan at Moanalua? We need to find a way to teach that at our school. Our kids have no rhythm. But our coaches can cut a rug. haha

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. hoopsdelight
    Member

    Its called swagger boys. The boys have swagger and can dance as well. Wish they all could play the way the dance. Deadly!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. McKevin
    Member

    the belly dance is my special.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. beanboy
    Member

    i saw hoopfanatic teaching them to dance.He learned from BBJ and Ed taught him. there all veterans don't ya no.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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