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1. HoopFanatic
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   This is a message to you since you are living in your own world. I will describe to you what the Nike Nationals really is.

   Before Shawna played in the summer of 2006, no Hawaii girl ever played in it.

   The California Storm traveled to Hawaii to scrimmage the Kalakaua under 17 team. Kalakaua BEAT the California Storm 2 times with Shawna averaging over 30 points and 17 rebounds.

   Coach Quintero of the Storm was so impressed that he asked Coach Agena and Coach Taylor if Shawna would be on his team. He has coached such greats as Diana Taurasi and Alana Beard.

   Shawna left Hawaii, played on a team with no one she has ever met, and traveled to the most prestigious, competitive, and featured the top players in the nation.

   Posted 3 years ago #

2. HoopFanatic
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   I will describe the Nike National Tournament to you. Every top player and top coach in the nation is there. Coach Geno and Coach Summitt watch from above while the majority of other Division I coaches are seated courtside.

   The girls are all business. When they are there, they eat and sleep basketball. They do not go to the mall. They do not go cruising. They rest for their games or play basketball.

   Here you have a 16 year old girl from Waianae, not knowing anyone on her team, in front of every top coach in the nation. She is playing against the top 100 players featuring the top club teams such as Boo Williams, Georgia Metros, All-Ohio, West Coast Elite, Tennessee Flight, etc.

   She outplays Maya Moore. Check the stats. Kuehu was the only on to keep Moore under 20. Moore was scoring 30 against everyone. Moore had more rebounds than Shawna. But Shawna scored about 24 to Moore's 18. I am pretty sure this is pretty accurate.

   Posted 3 years ago #

3. HoopFanatic
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   Since her play was so outstanding, she made the All-Tournament team. Every prominent coach started to contact Coach Taylor. Coach Geno sent a personal letter to Shawna, that is how much he wanted her.

   Coach Quintero said that of all the girls her ever coached (including WNBA Stars) Shawna was at the level of a Taurasi. While she did not have the same skill set, it was close and her killer instinct matched Taurasi's.

   You should have seen her. You have to remember, this was the same Storm team, that without Shawna playing, lost to a local Kalakaua team, with Shawna.

   Just by adding Shawna, they only lost by 2 or 3 to the Georgia Metro who spanked pretty much everyone. They ended up in the Silver Medal Title game (but had to forfeit since they had to catch a plane).

   Posted 3 years ago #

4. HoopFanatic
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   Many people are judging Shawna because of how she looked after her injury, 20 pounds below her playing weight. Or, you seen her playing out of position at Punahou. Her natural position in the 2. She was recruited as a 2. She played in the Nike Nationals as a 2.

   Coach Quintero said Shawna could do it all. She could drive both ways, finish over bigger girls, and out-rebound college bound posts.

   Shawna was the buzz of the tournament. Even Steve Kozaki said she could go down as one of the best if she did not get injured.

   Posted 3 years ago #

5. HoopFanatic
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   No offense Brew, but you want to compare Galderia to that? Do you know how insane that is? It's like comparing Jordan to Clyde Drexler. Galderia is a very nice player and will go down as a top 10 player in Hawaii.

   But if you saw in the Mufi, she got shut down by Elyse Umeda straight up. Yes Umeda is 8 years older. But she is 5'0. Anyone who saw that game saw her competitive spirit. She basically quit since she was frustrated and all Elyse did was face guard her making her moot on the court.

   Are you telling me that playing out of shape older girls has the same pressure as playing in the Nike Nationals?

   You can continue to debate that Lia may be Shawna or better.

   You, my friend are looking an the microscopic view, what she is able to accomplish in Hawaii, not really the hotbed for girls basketball.

   I am looking at the national level. While Lia is a fine player, a girl like her is nothing special on the mainland. Her athleticism would be above in the Nike Nationals. She cannot go left with authority. She is not physical enough to compete. With her height and stature, she would be a point guard. Kona runs a freelance offense.

   No legit club team or college teams runs a freelance. They all have sets based on motion or reads.

   Posted 3 years ago #

6. HoopFanatic
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   Vicky was asked to play on the Storm since Shawna opened the pipeline. Vicky did nice. But she did not have the buzz, attention, or performance that Shawna did. It wasn't even close.

   Coach Quintero told Coach Taylor that the only players are Shawna's level that he coached was Taurasi, who at her age was better, but not by much.

   So, you really want to debate Brew?

   Let's see, Lia winning a state title where she got benched vs. Shawna's performance in the Nike Nationals and getting offers from Coach Summitt and Coach Geno.

   Honestly, you can debate, but c'mon man, do you?

   Posted 3 years ago #

7. biifhawaii
   Member

   AGREE WITH HF
   Hoopfanatic wins this debate hands down(ENOUGH SAID)

   DISAGREE WITH HF
   Lia is not on the same page as Shawna or Nani but she is not far behind, you perceived the whole debate as she has no chance at all of being up there no matter what she accomplishes for the rest of her career.

   AGAIN lia was taken out of the game because of getting her 4th foul in OT. Coach Awa made the mistake and almost cost them the state title by taking her out of the game period. Don't you think it was the coaches stupidity on that part rather then trying to get an advantage of winning your debate over brew?.

   If everything you said is true about Shawna then the more props to her. I am just amazed of what you said about her and to tell you the truth i think Brew is too.

   I felt that both of you took things out of content and try to use it to your advantage(which what debate is all about). In my opinion i felt brew was just defending Lia because you said she has no business being compared to the 2 girls AT ALL. I felt that you had a legitimate case to say what you said to plea your case. The IQ debate is something that i have a problem with! You state that shawna's IQ was unbelievable well sitting out to play for uh is not that smart at all, you should be rippping her big time for making this decision like you would of if Lia did the same.

   Posted 3 years ago #

8. biifhawaii
   Member

   We had at least a dozen people yelling at the TV to get her back in the game. OC 16 did a great job especially watching it in HD

   Posted 3 years ago #

9. HoopFanatic
   Veteran

   That is a good point biifhawaii. I think it was a mistake. BUT, if the coach trusted Lia to play with 4 fouls, she would be playing. This is a trust issue that ties straight into Basketball IQ. Really smart players (while they may get their 5th fouls) really know how to avoid the 4th foul. Nomura played in OT with 4 fouls.

   I think Galdeira is excellent. Even girls such as Nani and Shawna said she is really good and will be one of the best.

   BUT, if you attended the Nike Nationals which I did, you would understand, which I cannot explain.

   The best comparison would be comparing the Wynn Hotel to the California Hotel. That is how drastic it is.

   Our Hawaii tournament is ran as well as it can. The talent here for girls has come light years from the 80's and 90's.

   I understand you point. On the local level I can see where you can make a reasonable comparison between Shawna and Lia. But on the high school level, it is not even close.

   Until Lia goes on the national stage and does what Shawna does, how can you make a debate that they are even close?

   But, you do make valid points and there is logic. I do respect that.

   Posted 3 years ago #

10. HoopFanatic
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    Basketball IQ has to do with how you play the game of basketball biifhawaii. I found this on another site written by a aunty of hers. It will shed more light on the situation:

    From Waianae off Star Bulletin:

    "Shawna qualified for college. Please stop spreading lies about my niece. Shawna chose to follow her and her grandpa's dream of being getting her captain's license which she has. She works full time and will get her oceanography degree from UH in a few years. How many 19 year olds have done that much? Playing college basketball is not for everyone. Others have dreams that are not sports related. I hope you have the respect for her and show her your support instead on insinuate that she is nowhere. She is somewhere. She is working, got her captain's license which is not an east take, and will go after her degree soon. We are proud of her!

    It's too bad that many of you live through others instead of supporting their dreams. Sports is not the most important thing in life. Finding something that you are passionate about is more important. That is what my niece is doing."

    "As a parent or in my case a biased aunty, how can you not be proud of someone that finds a path that they are passionate about. Yes she may not have a Cal scholarship.

    But she is working and saving her money to put herself through college. Unlike others, she does not need her parents to pay for her college, she will do it on her own.

    She loves being around the ocean, even more than basketball. Some people take years and sometimes never find their true love. My niece found hers. Is it wrong to give up basketball for now to follow one of her dreams?

    I feel sad that many people assume Shawna is in a bad place or bad way since she is not playing basketball. The truth is Shawna is in a good place and is following her dreams that she used to talk about with her grandpa.

    What is so great about basketball that if you choose not to play then you are flawed?

    Please leave my niece alone unless you get the facts straight."

    Posted 3 years ago #

11. HoopFanatic
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    I was talking about Basketball IQ. Basketball IQ is making smart desicions when you play the game of basketball.

    Having IQ in other areas is much different. That has more to do with her career. After reading the above post, does someone have to play college basketball? the answer should be no.

    If a kid can follow a dream that isn't basketball, shouldn't we be happy for that person?

    There is no rule stating that she has to go to college to play basketball. Isn't it okay if a kid wanted to go to college just to be a student and work?

    There have been many football and basketball players who gave up their athletic careers to work and help support their family while still attending college on their own dime?

    Isn't that a sign of having high IQ?

    I think you are taking this out of context. We are talking about the player they were during high school. If this was a college debate, then it would be different. Don't you agree?

    Posted 3 years ago #

12. HoopFanatic
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    So to reitterate, Shawna's basketball IQ is higher than Lia's in my opinion. I was only talking about playing the games and performing in the games playing smart basketball, not life.

    And if you want to talk about Shawna's decision to attend UH, couldn't you make the same argument that Lia is attending Konawaena while Hilo and Honokaa are higher achieving academic schools?

    Both school have put players into a Division I school (Kanekoa to UH & Vicky to USC)? Kona has only sent one player, Hoist, to Eastern Kentucky (and that was mostly due to Fatai going there first if you ask the EKU coach).

    So if you are talking career decisions, an argument could be made that Shawna should go to Cal and Lia should not go to Konawaena if the goal is college (not winning state titles).

    In my opinion, going to a high academic college, far outweighs the amount of state titles, don't you think?

    Vicky will be attening USC, a fine academic school. We will see where Lia goes. Hopefully she will qualify early and go to a high academic school, not just a good basketball one.

    Posted 3 years ago #

13. HoopFanatic
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    And FYI, many blogger online last night thought Galdeira is not even on level with Jamie Smith yet. And they thought it was absurd to even mention Lia in comparison to Shawna. I invite you to come online next week, it's pretty interesting discussion.

    Posted 3 years ago #

14. KonaStyle
    Member

    Wow this is really impressive!!! Kuehu is lightyears ahead of Galdeira. Galdeira isn't even as good as Fuertes yet.

    Posted 3 years ago #

15. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Thanks for that very, very interesting and insightful post Fanatic.

    Posted 3 years ago #

16. KonaStyle
    Member

    Damn Brew you got schooled! You haven't even responded..The world is waiting for your response!

    Galdeira will accomplish some good things down here. But let's be real, she won't accomplish the kind of things Fanatic mentioned above.

    You biif supporters need to wake up and be real. Geez, set some real goals for the girl. Making all-state and poy are good and REALISTIC goals for her.

    Nike Nationals and letter from Geno? Get real!

    Posted 3 years ago #

17. KonaStyle
    Member

    DISAGREE WITH HF
    Lia is not on the same page as Shawna or Nani but she is not far behind, you perceived the whole debate as she has no chance at all of being up there no matter what she accomplishes for the rest of her career.

    This is what biifhawaii said above. I would bet one year paycheck that Galdeira will not accomplish this by next summer. I am saying she has no chance to outplay the top player in the nation next year. I am saying she has no chance to get a letter from UCONN.

    I have more chance of beating Kobayashi in a hot dog eating contest or Kobe one-on-one.

    Posted 3 years ago #

18. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Brew, where are you? I have been waiting for your educated response.

    Posted 3 years ago #

19. backpick
    Veteran

    I'm glad nobody compared Tyler Terai to Derrick Low.

    Posted 3 years ago #

20. 96720
    Member

    Uconn and coach gino sent brew to come and visit them to talk about lia attending the university in 3 years. The Awa's could not attend meeting because they are renovating their house to accommodate more athletes to live with them next year. Brew will be back in 2 weeks. The Awa's will be accepting the first 5 students who can sell the most smoke meat tickets.Haha

    Posted 3 years ago #

21. brew
    Member

    I'm back, jus woke up from celebrating Kona's State Championship. Congrats again Kona. I remember before the tournament started everyone was downing the BIIF. Saying stuff like , "the biif is weak", "biif shouldn't be in the state tournament", and other crazy stuff. But the few loyal fans stuck to their guns, and watched Konawaena win the state tournament. U guys will probably bring up stats again on how much state tournaments the ILH has won, which is OK. I did state that the ILH is the cream of the crop, and they will continue to be the best league. But for now the BIIF is the king of the hill.

    And for Shawna, remember I have always said that she was the top player in the state in the history of hawaii girls basketball. You do not have to convince me any more how great she is. She is #1 in most peoples books, including myself.
    And becoming a captain is awesome!! I don't know her personally, but I can say that I'm very proud of her. I will always support local athletes in whatever endeavors they have. I hope some day she decides to play bball again and make everyone proud. But, if she doesn't good luck and god bless.

    Now for Lia. She is a freshmen, she has won and will probably win almost every award possible in High school girls basketball. I can't predict the future, but obviously some of you folks can. If she continues to improve she may become one of the greatest ever. As for playing against the best I hope she has a chance to, so she can find out how good she really is. She may not reach the top as Shawna did, but I hope she gets an opportunity to play against the nations best.

    And for those of you who said I got schooled. I don't think so. You folks have given me statistics and accolades that Shawna and Nani has gotten. But you folks have not given me any evidence that Lia will not be as good as both of them. Lia has done pretty much everything that Shawna and Nani had done when they were freshmen. If I'm wrong I apologize!!!!

    Friends forever brew and HoopFanatic(and the rest of his posse)

    Posted 3 years ago #

22. 2Dhoop
    Veteran

    Very impressive HF. Showing Curt up as well.

    Posted 3 years ago #

23. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Mahalo 2DHoop, hope to see you at states. I'm going to find BBJ!

    Posted 3 years ago #

24. HoopFanatic
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    This is what Brew states, "And for those of you who said I got schooled. I don't think so. You folks have given me statistics and accolades that Shawna and Nani has gotten. But you folks have not given me any evidence that Lia will not be as good as both of them. Lia has done pretty much everything that Shawna and Nani had done when they were freshmen. If I'm wrong I apologize!!!!"

    -Coach Quintero, one of the most renowned club coaches who coached Diana Taurasi (and many other WNBA players) has said publically that Shawna is the only player he has coached who was at Taurasi's level.

    This coach has coaches for many years, putting tons of girls into Division I programs. After he coached Shawna for two summers, he made this comment about only one player.

    -Glenn Nelson who has been covering girls basketball for years and who runs the most reputable girls recruiting site (hoopgirlz.com) said she was the most impressive player, including Maya Moore. They were on the same level.

    -She made the first team Nike Nationals All Tournament Team

    -The coaches for the California Storm have watched the Hawaii season and are not interested in picking up ANY Hawaii players for their team. It has nothing to do with playing on the Big Island, since they picked up Vicky two summers ago.

    Honestly, how will she get into this tournament since the only team that has a history of inviting Hawaii players is not interested in any Hawaii players now due to talent level.

    So, after all this EVIDENCE, you really think they are even close? Man are you really this naive and ignorant, or are you trying to get a rise out of everyone?

    As of right now, at the national level, Galderia isn't even on the level of a Vicky Tagalicod.

    I even asked some national club coaches since I streamed them the championship game on the internet for them. I asked if they thought Galdeira was on the same level. I'll just say they never responded since that thought I was not being serious.

    But Brew will read that as, "Hey they didn't want to hurt your feelings since they thought Galdeira was better." Haha.

    I will give you credit, your tunnel vision is impressive. Your loyalty is impressive. You marketing ploy is quite impressive.

    You ability to assess basketball players, is, well, not very impressive.

    Posted 3 years ago #

25. HoopFanatic
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    Since no one can predict the future like Brew said, in his eyes, every single player from Kauai to the Big Island can be as good as Shawna or better. That is his theory.

    I guess you don't know what an educated guess is.

    But, I like your commitment to getting flamed. Let me know if you want more.

    I guess you think winning a Hawaii state title puts you on the same level as all of the accomplishments I listed above.

    But hey, you probably think getting elected president of the country is the same as getting elected class president of Konawaena High School.

    All I can say is WOW!

    Posted 3 years ago #

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