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Manoa Valley tournament

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  • Started 2 years ago by luv808bball
  • Latest reply from SamOwen

  1. luv808bball
    Member

    Did anyone catch the so called "tournament" an Manoa gym this weekend?

    Pretty convenient how the host team only played four games in four days to reach the championship game. Pretty convenient how some teams had to play six games in two days to get to the same level. Pretty convenient to those teams that received a call Sunday morning saying, "Your game time has been changed, and oh by the way, be a teh gym in one hour for your next game. Pretty convenient for the visiting teams to not know when their next game would be until the "yo-yos" running the tournament could figure out what to do next.

    And then after all of the mismanagement, ineptness and total lack of communication to the visiting teams, the host had the gall to actually charge admission. Hope nobody was stupid enough to buy a T-shirt for FIFTEEN DOLLARS instead of paying the three bucks to participate in this dismal attempt at basketball.

    On a positive note, KUDOS, to St. Joes for travelling all the way from the Big Island. They played with spirit and heart and showed us "Big City' guys how to play some basketball.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I bought 5 shirts. One for BBJ, 2DHoop, Ed, myself, and Local Sissy.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I'm curious, if St. Joes showed everyone in the "Big City" how to play basketball, why were they not in the championship game? I heard it was the Sharks vs. Kings in the final. Did I miss something?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Ed
    Member

    This tournament was a joke. In the U10 Division, they had volunteer refs! If you're going to charge admission, at least pay for refs.

    $3 to watch your kids play for the Sharks Fundraiser.

    Instead of being so lazy that you have to charge admission, have a concession, sell chili tickets, do a beach cleanup, have a car wash, sell Christmas trees. Do something!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Very kind of you HF! You just moved up 6 spots on my Xmas shopping list at #26.

    I wasn't there but what did St. Joe's teach to the 'Big city' teams? Just wondering since I wasn't there.

    $3 to watch youth basketball? What a joke!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. hoopsta212
    Member

    Tournament was alright! Lots of good talent, here are my opinions, even if it doesn't matter:

    biggest bust: All the Sharks teams boys and girls with the exception of the 17U boys who won. The tournament was given to the Sharks, ease of schedule most time between games etc.. They stacked all teams with top of the line players most of them one year older than the age allowed and still got beat.

    Best game(s) Alii's vs. Tar Heels -Captain Whitlock and his team played a freat game on Saturday beating the favored Alii's then the Alii's put it all together and beat them handly for the Championship. Hat's off to Kekoa Ng and his great albeit small players.

    Islanders vs. Eastsidaz- this was a great game, two teams battled through double OT and the eastsidaz won it on a sudden death. I didn't realize it at the time, but was informed that the Islanders team is actually 7th and 8th grade girls! Like I said in my other post, these are some big hearted girls who can make it in the next level.

    Overall the officiating in the tournament was par for the course. But there were some really bad calls.

    The cost to get in was crazy, the concession stand however did have value. Overall it was a succesful tourney that still needs ton's of work.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. KonaStyle
    Member

    Haha Ed, you so funny!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. XLR8
    Member

    The reason St.Joes wasn't in the finals was because they got screwed. If you check the Sharks website St.Joes listed as Stingrays. St.Joes took the Stingrays place in the tournament. Look at playoff results first round there is no score listed for the St.Joes vs. Kings game. St.Joes beat them and the Kings should have been out of the tournament.That's how the Sharks set it up. But somehow they got back in the tournament. Why? Now check all the Sharks scores and you will see that St.Joes lost to them by only six points. What do you think? Sharks scared to play them again? Very small D2 school, enrollment of less than 40 boys and they lose. Not good for the Sharks. If you saw the Kings St. Joes second game. Overtime was 2min.running time. Kings went up by one with about 20 seconds left by making the first free throw(on the last of several questionable fouls called against St.Joe) and held the ball at the foul line till time ran out.He didn't even shoot the 2nd free throw. And that's how the Kings/Sharks final came about. The least the Sharks could have done was put the score up of the game St.Joes beat the Kings by I think four points.
    St.Joes played team basketball. If you saw the games you would know. They are a pleasure to watch. Not saying the would have won but it would have been fun to watch them play the Sharks again. David vs.Goliath. And David can really shoot lights out.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. BlackJesus
    Member

    WAAAAAAHHHH!

    TESTIFY!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    You said the kid shooting the free throw held the ball so the time would run out? Well, normally a free throw shooter gets about 10 seconds to shoot the ball. If he held on to the ball to allow the running clock to run out, then that is GENIUS! That is high basketball IQ. That is understanding the game situation which is hard to teach! I applaud the kid for knowing what to do and when to do it!

    As for St. Joe's, I saw them play. They are okay, nothing special. These are club games with marginal coaching at best. The fact is, regardless of how the tournament was run, they lost. Who really cares about the score in a website. The Sharks have played against teams comprised or Iolani, Punahou, and Kamehameha boys. They also competed in the Iolani Summer League and played teams such as Hawaii Raiders and Hawaii Select.

    I highly doubt they were scared of St. Joe's. BTW, where is St. Joe's? I have never heard of that school.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Sounds like this tournament left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. iesukristo
    Member

    Yeah dissapointing tournament!

    and that St. Joe game vs Sharks had nothing to do with Sharks having a great basketball I.Q. The Refs simply didnt know the SHARKS RULES for a running time. The player DID NOT hold the ball but the REFEREE held the ball for exactly 50 seconds on the clock and I guess the SHARKS rule book said it was legal to do. I guess thats what happens when you have volunteer Refs! St. Joe was up by one, ref put more time on the clock because he was unaware of the running clock rule (IDIOT), lets just say you had to be there.

    There schedule changed everyday. I wish they had told the off island teams that the ILH RULES would be a problem and that competition would be awful maybe they wouldnt have had to waste time and money coming to this event!

    Really.....

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Maybe next year you can volunteer to ref and you can set-up the tourney so it will run more smoothly. Ask Darren, I'm sure he would want your help. By the way, did St. Joe's win?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. iesukristo
    Member

    Yeah maybe next year I will volunteer to Ref, cant be that hard..... I know.... I can hold the ball and let the clock run so I can let whatever team I want to win! The question is Do I want to help? NOT! and who is Darren? I only know a Grant.

    Nope St. Joe didnt win, but what a good game that was, I would have loved to see them play again. Sharks only won by one point (thanks too the ref), Both good teams. But only one will take home the W! It was better than watching the 14 and under boys play!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. Ed
    Member

    Don't ask Darren, he wasn't the one who set up this waste time, lose money tournament. Ask Grant Kidani.

    Did the Sharks really only beat St. Joe's by 1?

    Interesting.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. BSwanson
    Member

    Sharks did not play St Joe in the championship game. Kings beat St Joe by one in OT in the game before championship (semi's?), then Sharks beat Kings by...I think 5-8 points.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. KonaStyle
    Member

    If it is so easy then I think u should ref. If you don't want to ref then u should shut ur trap. U sound like an angry woman! Stop crying and moaning and try to solve the problem instead fo crying like a baby. If you are unwilling den u are just an internet crybaby.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. iesukristo
    Member

    wow sounds like KonaStyle was one of the stupid Ref's! hahahaha... I dont have to whine everyone knows this was a waste of time tournament!

    If I knew it was gonna be this crappy I wouldn't have wasted my time and money!

    yeah Im gonna complain, if your gonna invite an off island team, then fricken get your crap together and give us some good competition! Or let us know that the ILH is gonna prevent the intermediate teams from playing in this tourney. If they needed help then ASK! we had our crap together so whats there excuse!

    KonaStyle SHAT-UP, next time Ref better! hahahaha if Im an angry woman, then your an old grumpy dumb ass that probably ran this tournament!

    BSwanson- didnt say St. Joe played in the championships but they did lose by only one point to Sharks. It was still a good game though. Wish i could have watched the championship game.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. iesukristo
    Member

    BSwanson- im pretty sure i have pix of St. Joe playing the Sharks before the Championship game the Kings vs Sharks was the Championship game. St. Joe did not play Kings in the playoffs, it was the Hilo High Team that played the Kings and lost by 8 i think...... The Schedule was screwed up, No one knew who they were playing it was all a surprise.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. BSwanson
    Member

    Yep, you are right, the kings played the St Joe's team in what seemed to be pool play on Saturday. My bad.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. FactSetter
    Member

    I'm a Sharks parent and one those that worked about 20 hours over the past two weekends so your kids could play (& my kid couldn't even play!). Just wanted to set the record straight on a few things.

    First, the original ILH start date was November 30, 2009 when the tournament was originally scheduled. The date change to October 30th was not voted upon, approved and finalized by the schools' AD's until the Monday before the tournament. Though the ILH sent out a proposal to move the start date to October 30th about a month ago there were a lot of coaches against the date change. Many coaches from the various ILH schools also told our kids that the could still participate in the tournament, interpreting the club blackout rule as the date of final cuts, not the start of tryouts. Last week, a parent from Maryknoll sent a letter to their AD which was circulated to the ILH schools clarifying that the kids could not participate in any outside leagues as of the start date of tryouts.

    The move up of the ILH Tryout dates greatly affected the tournament. There was consideration to cancel the tournament altogether but the outer Island teams had already paid for their arrangments, and their coaches still wanted to come over to Oahu to play.

    About 1/2 of the U12 and U14 teams (including our team) had to drop out. For the U17 division the Force and Aiea dropped out in the middle of the tournament.

    Darren who runs the Summer Tournaments -- also couldn't participate in helping us organize this tournament since he is working on the Punahou season and their Intermediate/ JV tryouts that occurred last week.

    The U10's admitedly did not go very well. The games had 1 paid ref and 1 volunteer ref - and I know there's been a lot of discussions about that.

    I know Darren changed the U17 brackets in the last day so all the remaining teams could participate since Aiea and Force dropped out on that day. Otherwise the Kings and Punch would've been out.

    Kings and Punch had to play each other w/ the winner getting into the bracketed play. St. Joes, the #2 seed (who lost to the Sharks) played the winner of Kings / Punch and the Sharks who had not lost played Hilo. Sharks beat Hilo in one Semi and Kings ended up beating St. Joes in the other.

    The St. Joes poster is bitter, but YOU guys were seeded correctly and whose fault was it that you guys gave up a 12 point lead with 4 minutes left to the Kings to lose?

    Kings poster (1st post) is bitter, but you guys got 6 games. The Refs alone cost $50 per game (which doesn't include gym rental fee, permitting fees, insurance fees, or scorekeepers cost in addition other costs). You guys got more than your money's worth. Your parents are also notorious complainers which is the purported reason why you're blackballed from NJB.

    Bottom line is that many of us volunteered our time to help provide an event for your kids to play AND most of our kids weren't able to play. Yes, there were problems -- many caused by the ILH date change, others not. However, no one else w/ the exception of NJB and no other basketball club is spending the time or effort to provide a tournament for our kids to play in.

    So, until you step up you should shut up.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. FactSetter
    Member

    By the way iesukristo -- you're full of a lot of steam, little substance.

    St. Joes lost to the Sharks by about 10 on Saturday morning (& got dunked on 5 times).

    St. Joes beat the Kings by about 4 on Saturday afternoon in pool play.

    St. Joes then lost to the Kings (who won the play in game against Punch) by 1 in OT. Again, St. Joes was up in that game by 12 w/ about 4 mins left in a run-time game a lost. . . by basically being complacent w/ the lead and great shooting by the Kings down the stretch.

    Hilo was also beaten by the Sharks by about 10 on Sunday morning in the first playoff game.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. HIHoopsFan
    Member

    hey iesukristo, instead of worrying about the refs, maybe u should worry about ur grammar! it's atrocious!

    go back 2 skool!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. AskGrant
    Member

    Who's running the Sharks? Darren or Grant? Why was Grant running the tournament? That has to be the worst tournament ever? At least the worst tournament I've seen.

    First they charge the teams an entry fee, then they charge the friends and family to watch. This isn't Vegas! Why was it a running clock? Running in OT? The 10u division was chaos. Two courts, one running clock, volunteer refs and tagout substitution. The 14u was a waste of time with 3 teams. I felt bad for the Stingrays, what a waste of money.

    Because the ILH was in the process of changing the start date for the Intermediate and JV(??), whoever was running the tournament should have dropped the 14u division.

    I don't think people are going to play in another Sharks tournament after this one. I hear that the Sharks are losing players and coaches in the 13u/14u divisions. I wonder why?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Hey FactSetter, I applaud you! I know many of us intelligent readers appreciate well thought out posts, that are organized and have facts and evidence to support their statements.

    I notice many people just ramble on with no tangible evidence to support their claims regarding this topic.

    Every tournament can be better. The goal is to learn and fix the weaknesses. Positive feedback and professional criticism is always more effective than rambles, crying, and complaining.

    But I guess that is what many people do.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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