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1. imua79
   Member

   Was anyone at this game? According to the Advertiser no one scored in the fourth qtr. Just wanted to know how this played out. This is what was written in the Honolulu Advertiser:

   MILILANI 29, KAPOLEI 27

   Joe McGlamery's putback late in the third quarter gave the host Trojans a 29-27 lead. The Hurricanes then held the ball for most of the fourth quarter before missing a 3-point attempt with eight seconds left to play in an O'ahu Interscholastic Association Red West game.

   KAPOLEI (1-11) 14 6 7 0 — 27

   MILILANI (9-2) 11 8 10 0 — 29

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. bibbyboi
   Member

   Wow...that's one instance where the a shot clock would of been handy...That's messed up on Mililiani's part and stupid on Kapolei's part for not being able to either force them to turn the ball over for a whole quarter or foul eventually....There is no reason someone should be able to stall on a high school team for a whole quarter...

   I remember Pahoa's assistant coach would stall in 3 on 3 tourneys..get up by one with choke time left and start stalling..lol...this was before he became assistant coach at Pahoa though...

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. RooseveltCoach
   Member

   I heard from someone that was at the game that Kapolei held the ball at half court for the entire quarter and then went for the win and missed the follow up as well. Anybody else go to the game. Is the story that I heard accurate? I found it very hard to believe but now looking at the paper I find that my friend may be correct. Please post if you were at the game.

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. HoopFanatic
   Veteran

   Roosevelt Coach, we planning on coming to your game on Monday vs. Waianae. It's at your house yah?

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. MULES2728
   Member

   I was at the game and after McGlmaery's put back to give them the lead Mililani jus sat in a zone. Kapolei held the ball at half court and missed the shot at the end of the third quarter. Mililani got the ball first and missed the shot but quickly got back in a tight zone. Kapolei's coach told the guard to jus hold the ball at half court. Kapolei held the ball the whole quarter. I don't know why the Kapolei coach was scared of the zone. the held it from about 7:45 untill 20 seconds left and called a time out. They came out of the time out shot a three and missed but got the rebound and missed again and by then time expired. I have never seen anything like it!!

   Posted 2 years ago #

6. DickyV808
   Member

   This is why we need a shot clock!!!!!!

   Posted 2 years ago #

7. RooseveltCoach
   Member

   Yeah Hoop, its at our place. Should be a good game. We still got 2 more to play before then so hopefully we are not too tired. I hate the way the schedule is set up here at the end of the season. 5 games in 8 days. It's a lot of games to play right before the playoffs. But oh well, they are young kids and should be able to handle it. See you at the game.

   Posted 2 years ago #

8. HoopFanatic
   Veteran

   Wow RC, that is a lot of games. It's like an NBA schedule. Good luck!

   Posted 2 years ago #

9. LoveForTheGame
   Member

   Even though the Kapolei coach's decision to stall was a little extreme...I think he has every right to do it...He gave his team a chance to be competitive and have a chance to win the game...

   I just feel it comes down to style of coaching and the culture you have established in your program...How come now all of a sudden it's wrong to be a coach who uses strategy to keep their team/s who might not be as talented in the game...

   As a coach and student of the game, I get upset at the talented teams who let other teams stall at their expense...For some reason coaches with talented teams all of a sudden forget about "strategy" and say the famous cop out phrase I here in today's style of basketball...
   "I just let my kids play"

   The mililani coach should have used strategy himself and countered with pressure and/or some type of halfcourt trap...Either that or he wanted to just escape with a two-point win...LOL

   Posted 2 years ago #

10. LoveForTheGame
    Member

    My personal belief is I repsect coaches who put their players in the best possible position to succeed...

    Sometimes stalling against a superior opponent is the best possible position to succeed in...

    Until a shot clock is implemented, coaches have every right to do it, of course to the chagrin of other coaches who hate it...personally that's who I would stall against, any coach who hates it, naturally this will then make the other coach flustered and force him to make unrationale decisions during the game! LOL Strategy!

    Posted 2 years ago #

11. hoopsdelight
    Member

    Mililani has the superior team. Coach wanted to play it safe and get out of there with a victory. With all that talent and he has to sit in a zone against Kapolei is beyond me. But this is just my opinion.

    Posted 2 years ago #

12. HoopFanatic
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    Sitting in a soft zone will not beat teams like Punahou or Kamehameha. They will dissect it and smash you. I don't think teams being passive or sitting in a soft zone will win states. It is too late to change the style and culture of any team. Any team who does this may get one upset in states, but has ZERO chance of winning it all in my opinion.

    Posted 2 years ago #

13. LoveForTheGame
    Member

    I agree...

    Posted 2 years ago #

14. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    The way to beat the good teams are to play fast, attack them, and make them pay for pressing or trapping you. To beat the best, you have to be aggressive, believe in yourself, each other, and the team.

    How can you believe in yourself when the perception is the coach doesn't believe in the team's ability.

    Yes, making gadget plays or trick-f _ c _ i _ g other teams may win 1 or 2 games. But, it will not win states.

    When was the last time a BOYS team won states sitting back in a zone, stalling, or trying being passive and unaggressive?

    I guarantee that if you hold the ball at halfcourt, teams like Punahou, Kamehameha, Moanalua, or Iolani will come after you.....

    Posted 2 years ago #

15. LoveForTheGame
    Member

    I agree with you, but in terms of strategy during the regular season for teams who is not even thinking about states and is just trying to be competitive and have some type of level of success, I think playing the "unpleasant style" that many coaches don't like is conducive to getting a win here and there...

    Obviously we don't see this type of strategy in the states because it is the best of the best playing, and true strategy is implemented in how teams attack...

    Posted 2 years ago #

16. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I understand why certain teams do things. They stall or run unorthodox plays to be competitive and ocassionally upset a better team. That is a smart strategy.

    I am saying for teams with championship aspirations, there is a recipe to win. If you look at the past 10 years, I can't recall a team sitting in a zone, not playing pressure d, and not utilizing the type of athletes you have.

    That is all I am saying....

    Posted 2 years ago #

17. mrtirade
    Member

    alot of teams is playing this pussy scared to get the score ran up on them play where they hold the ball for more than a quarter (leilehua, waipahu, aiea, and now kapolei) its ridiculous man up if you coached your team better you wouldnt have to worry about running the clock its freaken stupid this is how we lost to leilehua they dripple through traffic and then just pull it back out its dumb

    Posted 2 years ago #

18. SOJAHBOY
    Member

    I don't think we need a shot clock!!!!!!

    Posted 2 years ago #

19. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Like I said before, regardless if a team holds the ball, the defense can do things to speed up the game or force them to shoot or turn the ball over.

    For example, if a team can pass the ball until they get a good shot regardless of defensive pressure, chances are that team doesn't need to stall.

    But, if they are not that good and need to stall, tell me how can they hold the ball if you are picking them up, right in their grille, or trapping the ball, or funneling the ball into corners.

    So let's make this clear, it is just as much the fault of the defense as it is the offense when a team chooses to hold the ball.

    No one is forcing teams to sit back in a zone and wait. So in my opinion, if it's non-agressive (I don't want to use inappropriate words) to hold the ball, it's just as non-aggressive to sit back and watch.

    Posted 2 years ago #

20. mrtirade
    Member

    well when a team has good ball handlers and speed then it will always be hard to stop their penetration and kick outs think about the whole game and not just campbells defense

    Posted 2 years ago #

21. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    If you trap and funnel the ball to certain areas, only a few things will happen, turnover, score, or rebound. There is always a way to stop a team from stalling.

    For example, Farrington loves to use the clock on the offensive end. Their PG will hold the ball at halfcourt to intiate their offense. If you don't pick up, he will stay there. They pass the ball around for DAYS.

    Moanalua extended all of their perimeter defenders. Farrington was forced to dribble drive. In the first half, they had some success. As the game grew longer, they probably got tired and lost some of their mojo and Moanalua was able to speed up the game and force Farrington to take much quicker shots than they are used to.

    Posted 2 years ago #

22. JM
    Member

    HF said it best. Really. If a team chooses to stall, you stop them. Simple. If you're not willing to extend and to some extent gamble, then it's your own choice to allow them to run clock. Just like choosing your defense against any offensive set.

    You always have a choice on both ends of the court.

    Always.

    Posted 2 years ago #

23. bibbyboi
    Member

    Oh, i misread the original post...lol..i thought the team that was ahead was stalling and the team that was down just sat back the whole quarter...lol...

    still with only a 2 point lead i would have forced the action on d...too close to leave it up to a last second shot...

    Posted 2 years ago #

24. LoveForTheGame
    Member

    I agree with JM, it is always up to the coach...It's the coaches fault if he does not know how to attack a team that stalls...for every action, there must be a reaction in Basketball...

    I'm old shcool, my version of taking minutes off the clock is to work your offense (motion, flex, watever base offense a team has...)and be patient and pass the ball within the offense until the defense breaks down and gives you an oppurtunity for an easy basket (layup)...No one will complain if a team shaves off 3-4 minutes off the clock looking for a good shot...that's called good basketball to most coaches...Most/not ALL...LOL!

    Posted 2 years ago #

25. Just4fun
    Member

    A lot of you posters on here are young, but in the early 80's I believe North Carolina and Dean Smith ran the 4 corners to protect the lead and stall. What some coaches in Hawaii had done was use it to kinda level the playing field. If your team was not as good as the other team you played 4 corners. If you had good ball handlers you had a chance to keep the game respectable and low scoring. I saw Waipahu use it in the 80's against Radford, Moanalua, Leilehua and it works. It kept the score down and gave them a chance to win instead of getting blown out. The big men just stay away and only come up to help if needed. It was called 4 corners because the point is in the middle and the other 4 are at the corners. HF, is right you have to pressure and get the ball back but with good ball handlers it can be tough and frustrating even for good teams who prefer a faster pace. Since there is no shot clock it can be a boring and long game. Scores back then were 14-12, 22-16, something close to that.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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