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OIA Realignment

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  • Started 2 years ago by HoopFanatic
  • Latest reply from Hi-Low

  1. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I caught this on the Honolulu Advertiser. I thought it was a pretty good read. I understand there are always going to be pros and cons. But some parts look pretty good for reclassification. It was a blogger's opinions.

    What do you all think about this?

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    Warner:
    March 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    League alignment should be guided by school enrollment size. I say "guided" because there will be times when a school with a smaller enrollement deserves to compete at the Division I level, the most obvious example is Kahuku in football. The 23 memebers of the OIA could be split up into three divisions similar to what is already in place, Red West, Red East, and White. The Red West and Red East would each have eight schools, making 16 in Division I, and the White would have seven schools. Looking at the enrollment numbers for the 2009-2010, the basic alignment would look like this:

    OIA Red West
    Campbell (2366 students)
    Waipahu(2227)
    Mililani(2141)
    Kapolei(1903)
    Leileihua(1649)
    Pearl City(1641)
    Waianae(1612)
    Aiea(1060)

    OIA Red East
    Farrington(2374 students)
    Moanalua(1953)
    McKinley(1599)
    Roosevelt(1250)
    Castle(1171)
    Radford(1072)
    Kalani(1010)
    Kaimuki(973)

    OIA White
    Kahuku(955 students)
    Kaiser(921)
    Kailua(758)
    Kalaheo(757)
    Nanakuli(493)
    Waialua(375)
    Anuenue(106)

    As mentioned, some refining for indivdual sports (i.e., Kahuku football, Kalaheo basketball, Kailua baseball, etc.) could be made every couple of years where an OIa White school could be swapped with an OIA Red school, as voted/agreed upon by the rest of the league. Ideally, the swap would follow geographical lines to minimize the churn in alignment, which shouldn't be a problem. So hypothetically, Kalani could swap out of the OIA Red East with Kahuku for football, but they would still be considered an OIA Red East school for all other sports.

    How can Farrington, a school with the largest enrollment in the state and who qualified for the Division I State Basketball Championship Tournament, be moved down to Division II? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  2. StL
    Member

    The OIA is not taking only taking the varsity record into account but looking at the JV record. Moanalua, Kahuku and Kaimuki had the best JV teams.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  3. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    STL, Leilehua won JV this season, and Leilehua, Mililani, Kahuku, and Moanalua were the 4 teams who made playoffs this year for JV.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  4. StL
    Member

    HoopFanatic, if you read the Star Bulletin.com and learn from sources, the JV and Varsity record is for the past two years, not the present year.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  5. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Yes I know that the OIA uses a formula which takes into the account of the combined varsity and jv league records over 2 year. You get more points for a varsity win. As of right not, Farrington, McKinley, Kalaheo, and one more team was supposed to move down to the White. But, since Kalaheo is traditionally a power, they are still examining these moves. Nothing is set in stone yet.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  6. StL
    Member

    I am hearing that a red member who goes down to white can stay in the red if a white team decides not to move up to the red.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  7. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    STL, where is your son going to school next year? Is he going to play ball in college?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  8. StL
    Member

    Kentucky

    Posted 2 years ago #

  9. mrtirade
    Member

    Who's ur son stl

    Posted 2 years ago #

  10. PupulePaul
    Member

    My name is Paul and I am a hoopaholic.

    I've been lurking this site forever and enjoyed most of the posts. Some great insights and some really funny stuff now and then. I plan to still be a reader, not a poster, but this is an exception.

    This topic, OIA classification, is something a lot of us have thought about for years, so here's what I jotted down yesterday. It turned into a long piece, so I'll spare you guys having to endure it on this page. The link will take you there.

    Looking forward to everybody's feedback.

    Kalaheo, Farrington in D-II? OIA format needs fine-tuning
    http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/basketball/kalaheo-farrington-in-d-ii-oia-format-needs-fine-tuning/

    Posted 2 years ago #

  11. Hi-Low
    Member

    Pupule Paul -- Thanks for the update on the OIA classification. By having someone like you that's knee deep in figuring out all the craziness, it's helpful to the bloggers to understand it all.

    P.S. As a hopaholic you would have enjoyed the Big Island All-Star Classic tonight for the girls at Hilo Civic. Good fun. Check out the story in the Trib tomorrow about the two games.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  12. RooseveltCoach
    Member

    That is a very good article Paul. The guy that wrote it should give a class to other sports writers in this state. Take Care Paul and welcome to this site.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  13. Luna86
    Member

    @ Hoopfanatic,

    Wow, thats some #'s regarding enrollment!!!!

    Thanks for the insight! (homework)

    @ PupulePaul,

    That was a good read, (very informative)

    Mahalo.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  14. db
    Member

    There is no "common sense" in the OIA. They certainly do like their formulas...As if a mathematical equation could make everything "fair."

    They don't like to think, or take things on a case by case basis. Imagination exists not.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  15. PupulePaul
    Member

    Thanks for the response, my fellow hoopaholics. Some thoughts...

    • A league as large as the OIA (I'm not sure there's a bigger one in the U.S.) cannot be managed efficiently without emphasis on consistent, uniform rules. (Not to be confused with rules about actual uniforms, though they do a good job with that.) The formulaic approach used by the OIA, as well as the one used by the HHSAA to determine the number of state berths per league, is as cut and dry as it gets. The formula (OIA) itself is clear.

    It's the notion outside of those numbers, one that implies that Farrington is so mediocre that it should not play in Division I for the next two years ... that's a human decision. In other words, there's no logical reason why it the formula can't be adjusted or junked outright in favor of something more useful and practical. What was conducive to the 1990s isn't necessarily best for today.

    • So the good news is that the minds in the OIA, particularly the fresh ones with lots of creativity, are at work and there may be some changes. It's pretty exciting. It takes a lot to adjust the steering for a ship as large as the OIA, but it could happen soon.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  16. Hi-Low
    Member

    Pupule Paul -- Thanks for the update and hopefully something good will come out of the OIA's new creativity this time around.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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