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Top OIA Teams

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  • Started 2 years ago by HoopFanatic
  • Latest reply from IMBACKKKKKKK

  1. HoopFanatic
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    After watching the various summer leagues, looking at current rosters, and talking to coaches, this is what I think.

    1-Moanalua
    2-Mililani
    3-Kahuku
    4-Kaimuki
    5-Kalaheo

    With Moanalua's new 6'1 transfer, they are the team to beat in the OIA. They have a PG in Kauhola that pushes the ball and dictates tempo like not other PG in the OIA. They got a shooter in Racoma at SG. They have a center, Ko, who's improving. They have the most dynamic scorer in the OIA in Monroe. Their bench is solid with Amaral, Aquino (unless they start), and some other solid role players. The new player Wes, will give the Menehune more length, way more athleticism, another scorer/defender, and deepen their bench. When you add in solid coaching in Tacon, the Menehune can contend for the title in my opinion.

    I only seen Mililani a few times, but they are always solid and they are athletic. I don't feel they have enough shooting to win it all. And they lack size.

    Akina is one of the best players in the state. Kahuku also has the most size in the state. But, until Kahuku finds another solid guard, teams can keep the ball out of his hands, or trap Akina to get the ball out of his hands. Also, assuming Akina is the point, there is a big difference scoring from the point versus running off pics on the wing and baseline. I don't feel he will be as efficient a scorer this year with Ah Hoy and Galeai graduating.

    Kaimuki will be in it because Grant is one hell of a coach. But losing Tautofi hurts.

    Kalaheo is in the same boat. They are young, but have a solid coach in Furtado. Makaula continues to improve and can shoot. Fernandez is a good shooter, but that's about all he is willing to do. He needs to do more when he plays with Kalaheo.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. gymfighter22
    Member

    HF-

    Like the list...I already thought Moanalua was the OIA's team to beat, but adding another solid, able body only solidifies my belief that they'll be the OIA champs. Monroe is a flat out stud when he's on. Kauhola isn't far behind. Coaching staff is top-notch as well.

    Saw Mililani play last year - i thought they lost a lot to graduation. I would venture to say that Kahuku will end up as OIA runner-up, simply because of their experience in last year's state tournament and overall size. Otherwise, nice list.

    Agree with Grant being a very good coach...he'll have his boys competing, even without Tautofi.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. KonaStyle
    Member

    Hey HF, I heard the boy Wesley is legit! My sources tell me he can shoot, is athletic, and has live and springy legs. What a great addition for Moanalua.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. SamOwen
    Member

    How's the poy Wesleys krades? Is he coing to pe elichible when the season bekins? If he is a lechit scorer den marcus coing pe mad cuz he not coing shoot that much.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. bballobserver
    Member

    OIA
    1.Moanalua
    2.Kahuku
    3.Farrington
    4.Mililani
    5.Kalaheo
    6.Kaimuki

    Moanalua is deep, Kauhola, Racoma, Amaral, Ko, Monroe and Wesley. Problem is Monroe does all the shooting, could hurt the team
    Kahuku-Akina's shooting, Schwenke and Thompson inside, lack a point guard.
    Farrington-Great coaches, JP Saycon, they will be competitive. Coach Silva rates with Tacon, Furtado and Grant
    Mililani-Godd size and speed.
    Kalaheo-Fernandez is the only true talent. Improved from last year, scores from the outside, better handles, going to the basket. He is carrying Kalaheo in the summer league Manoa with some assistance from Makaula. Not much size or depth.
    Kaimuki-Steizel, just a shooter.

    Players to watch
    Schwenke
    Akina
    Saycon
    Fernandez
    Monroe
    Racoma
    Kauhola

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. 2Dhoop
    Veteran

    Coach Greg Tacon has a mainland transfer that will help Josiah and Marcus climb to the top of the OIA Red.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Sorry, but Coach Silva doesn't compare with Tacon, Furtado, and Grant. Until you show you can compete and win at the Division 1 level, you are not at that level.

    Winning at D2 is WAY different than winning at the D1 level. Until Silva wins at the D1 level, getting to the semis in states, that is inaccurate in my opinion.

    As for Moanalua, the offense is much difference. It is designed to get other players a shot. Kauhola, Racoma, Amaral, and others should get more looks.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. bballobserver
    Member

    Coaches Silva and Furtado both were teammates at Chaminade years ago. Silva was a Kailua HS all star as Furtado was an allstar with Iolani. Silva has done a good job at Farrington considering it is not a basketball school. Grant has done a good job at Kaimuki, he built the present program. Tacon inherited talent both at Punahou and Moanalua and now has a transfer from the Mainland to help him. Tacon had talent at Punahou with Miah and McLachlin and Moanalua with Austin, what happened? Silva is a quality coach building a program at Farrington.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. MikeHockisphat
    Member

    OIA best coach: Grant
    OIA best player: Akina
    OIA best snack bar: Moanalua
    OIA best team: (tie) Moanalua, Kahuku
    OIA second best player: Monroe
    OIA overrated: Farrington
    OIA underrated: Aiea
    OIA second best coach: Tacon

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. MikeHockisphat
    Member

    Aloooooha! New to this site and I just wanted to tell everyone that I enjoy reading your blogs.
    Good luck to all teams this upcoming season!!!!!!!!!!

    Hawaii Hoops, thanks for a great site. Keep up the good work.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Ed
    Member

    Mike Hockisphat,

    Nothing against Grant as he is a very good coach, I would rather roll with Tacon.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. MikeHockisphat
    Member

    Thanks for your comment, Ed. No doubt that Tacon is a very good and reliable coach. I had a hard time with this decision and the main reason why I went with Grant is because he has won a state championship and Tacon has yet to win one.

    Also, I looked at the type of kids that each coach has to work with and the Kaimuki kids are a much different breed. They need more motivation, more monitoring regarding their school work and more instructions.

    Until Tacon wins the big one, I have to go with Grant.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    To bballobserver: Before Tacon got to Moanalua, the Menehune did not get to states in years. Hale (not completely sure) didn't take them to states. Cheng didn't take them to states. And Pagan before that didn't either. There is a strong possibility that the last time before Tacon in which the Menehune made states was with Coach Eddie in the late 90's (96-97).

    Tacon built Na Menehune the same way Grant did (without the state title, but still solid). Grant took over for Stephen Lee who I believed coached Jimmy Miyasaka, Kekoa Onaga, and Daniel Tautofi. I am pretty sure that Kaimuki made it to states more often than Moanalua did when Coach Lee was coaching against Coach Hale.

    If anything, Kaimuki had more to work with when Coach Grant took over than Moanalua did when Coach Tacon took over. You can look at state appearances to figure that out, it's pretty easy.

    You fail to mention that Coach Grant also inherited a lot of talent.

    Coach Tacon took a Menehune team that was known for coming up short to states in 2/3 years there. He almost upset the #1 team in the state, Punahou in his first year. Then, his team upset the #1 team in the ILH, Iolani the next year.

    What happened? He went to states 2 years and lost to the #1 seed and upset the #1 seed the next year. His Menehune team never had any size. Kure and Hua, were about 5'11-6'0 if lucky. Monroe was very inexperienced his first year. The other tall kid Maurice was really raw.

    Hale had pretty much the same team at Moanalua and never got as deep into the playoffs.

    Coach Silva is okay, but until he does it in states, big deal!

    He has more talent than you give him credit for. They are pretty athletic and big. He just needs to develop more skill.

    Hale also had Miah and Spencer, and it's not like he won. No coach at Punahou would have beaten the Iolani 5 peat, so it doesn't degrade his accomplishments at Punahou.

    The fact that you fail to mention the kind of players Gran inherited just shows us your subjectivity. But that's cool.

    So the top OIA coaches are Grant, Furtado, Tacon, and Akina. Until the other guys do anything, they are not at the same level in my opinion.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Ed, plus, Tacon's closet is very squeaky clean. Can't say the same thing about the other guy.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. 2Dhoop
    Veteran

    Excellent Hoops.

    Moanalua Menehunes Won the State Title Twice (I believe back to back)under Coach Eddie in the early 90's.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    Hey 2D, I don't know why bballobserver is making like Coach Grant built Kaimuki from scratch when they were one of the better programs in the state after Coach Lee left.

    Then, he is insinuating that Tacon took over a Moanalua program that was at Kalaheo status, which honestly wasn't happening.

    If anything, Tacon had to work harder since Moanalua wasn't as good year in and out as many OIA teams which was demonstrated by the lack of state appearances.

    What's your take on this 2D?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. 2Dhoop
    Veteran

    First and Most of All, putting Basketball aside, Greg Tacon is a Great Man and a Class Act.....

    Those who know him would have to Agree!

    I Believe that Coach Greg Tacon's Coaching Ability Speaks for itself.

    But, let's go Beyond just Coaching, and see what has been Accomplished for the Entire High School Basketball World in the 808 State.

    The "Na Menehune Christmas Tournament" has become a Big Time Annual Preseason Event in the State of Hawaii.
    Bringing in Compititive Teams from the OIA, ILH and Mainland Talents.

    This Tournament is the "Brain Child" of Coach Greg Tacon.

    Whom Single Handedly.

    Built from Scratch.

    An Annual Preseason Extravaganza that Makes, Breaks, and Sets the Tone for every Team that is Entered including it's Mainland Competitors!

    Coach Greg Tacon has given the 808 State much more than just Quality Coaching.

    He has given Moanalua Na Menehune High School a Strong Sense of "School Pride" and has given our 808 State the Gift of "Quality and Tradition!"

    Chee Hu!

    I Can't Wait Till Basketball Season Already!!!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. HIHoopsFan
    Member

    bballobserver are u high? u either in love with silva or hes ur daddy. if hes ur daddy den i understand all da love. if he aint ur daddy then u just straight up weird. furtado took over for smith and kept kalaheo in contention. grant took over a top 2 oia program and kept them winning even getting 1 title. tacon took over 1 mediocre program and made dem relevant. wat are u squakin about. u lower den 1 rookie cuz 1 rookie wouldnt put ridiculous crap lik dis. u tink grant or furtado never inherit talent too? wen smith retired kalaheo was stacked. wen grant took over kaimuki was stacked. yet u only like go after tacon. get off silvas nut sac and bring some real heat. the one u throwin out now just flames away!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    2D, no one could have set it better! Great points about the tournament, I didn't even think of using that as a point. Can't wait to see your team play. I got your VIP pass. As for BBJ, I don't know. He seems to be partial to every single team in the state. He is like the rainbow of our island. He knows everyone and loves every team.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. Ed
    Member

    I am not like the rainbow. I only love One Team!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Hehe...rainbow...LOL!

    Silva and Grant are very good coaches and have proven so with state championships under their belt (D2 and D1, respectively). The only thing I have a problem with is that Farrington won their title in Division 2 with a population of 2000+ students. Something is not right with that picture. Nonetheless, no one can take away that title they won a couple of years ago.

    Tacon is a great strategist and prepares his team with specific gameplans for every team he faces. Although he has yet to win a state championship, he is mentioned among the best coaches in the state. He did have a wealth of talent at Punahou, but unfortunately for him and the Puns, he was there during the Low, Pape and Shoji eras. Heck, if those three weren't there Punahou could have been the team with the 100+ consecutive victories over local competition instead of Iolani.

    HF, I have to disagree a little and say that both Grant and Tacon took over programs that were already established as basketball powers in the OIA. Remember, Moanalua's last title was in '96 and '97 under Maruyama. Kaimuki's previous title before Grant took over and won it 2007 was back in '93. Also, you have to agree that both of these schools were known for getting quality basketball players in their respective neighborhoods.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    BBJ I have to disagree with you here. Even though Kaimuki didn't win a state title in more years, Moanalua wasn't a top notch program before Tacon got there.

    After Coach Eddie won in 1997, I think Moanalua either made it to states 0 or 1 time. So, in 8-9 years between 1998 and 2006, Moanalua made it to states 0 or 1 time. That isn't very good. Coach Pagan, Cheng, and Hale couldn't change the culture of the Menehune program. In 3 years, Tacon made it to the states 2/3 years, upsetting ILH Champ Iolani two years ago.

    In that same time, 1998-2006, Kaimuki has made it to the state tournament several times. Daniel Tautofi, Kekoa Onaga, and Jimmy Miyasaka were regulars at states.

    So if you track the number of state appearances in 8-9 years, you will see a drastic difference. And, I can't consider Moanalua an established program with 0-1 state appearances in 8-9 years and changing coaches 4 times in that same time period.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. MikeHockisphat
    Member

    ...but until Tacon wins one...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. HoopFanatic
    Veteran

    I am not saying that Tacon is a better coach than Grant. What I am saying is that Grant took over a more established program if you track data over the past 5-7 years. Who really cares what happened over 10 years ago.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. backpick
    Veteran

    Since this thread started as OIA Top Teams...

    Red West

    1. Mililani. Enrollment is close to 2500 now, pretty sure you can find 15 quaility hoopers with those numbers. Looked very athletic during the summer, but like most Mililani teams in recent history, they'll find a way to screw it up. More interested in looking good than playing good if you know what I mean.

    2. Campbell. Example one that coaching is so overated at times. Another new coach this season (Wyatt Tau from Aiea) and the Sabers will contend again. This will be the 5th change in 7 years, and they go to States every season dispite the turnover. Ewa has crazy Mo-Fo's out there, but they can hoop. But the craziness always catches up to them in the end.

    3. Radford. The Rams have Mr Mean at the helm and he does a very good job with the limited talent he's had over the past two seasons. He's in his kid's grill during warm ups and never lets up. If games were determined by coach vs coach MMA then the Rams will win the title.

    4. Leilehua. Tough couple of years for the Mules, haven't had a real good go to guy for awhile now. But they are always in games and have pulled a upset or two because of coaching and preperation for games. They're due to have a good year, this could be the one.

    5. Kapolei. Word on the street is that it's getting tougher and tougher keeping kid's eligible over there. Then the transfer of the big kid to Punahou all equals a down year for the Huricane. Only thing in their favor is that the two teams behind them really blow.

    6. Pearl City. Saw them twice during the summer and it was like getting your prostate checked. Not fun and very violating. It's become very clear that kid's in Peral City don't play hoops, too busy hanging at the Mall. Only thing in thier favor is that the team behind them really, really blows.

    7. Waipahu. Get this, the largest enrollment in the OIA is...Waipahu!! Close to 3000 kids, problem is only 3 of them hoop. Need another 1 win season to solidifly a drop back down to Div II. This is why the OIA goes by wins not size, because teams like this just can't play.

    Red East

    1. Moanalua. With or without transfer players, this team moved to the top when Tautofi left for Vegas. Played a bunch of final possesion games last year against the top team only to fall short. Almost entire roster is back and if the players learned from those situations they could to be a factor in the state tournament.

    2. Kahuku. As always, will have the athletic bigs to compete, if guard play is average then they'll struggle against good teams, if guard play is great then like Moanalua, they'll be factors in the state tournament as well. Football always plays a big role with the development of the team, might take them time to get it together.

    3. Kaimuki. Loss of Tautofi is huge but they still have some good guys. In fact others will now be able to get involved since he's gone. But with him they are a top 5 team state wide, without him they drop out the top 10. If they make the tournament without the Beast then all of this coach talk should be put to bed.

    4. Farrington. Capable of big upsets and capable of getting butts kicked. Tough kids with average hoop skills but they play hard. Always a threat at home because that gym is a hard place to play in. From the slipper lady to the resturant lighting, home court advantage looms large for the Govs.

    5. Kalaheo. Is the end of a era? They have been in over 20 consecitive state tournaments and that streak may finally come to an end this year. No bigs, no depth, one good player and way to young. The staff has to really coach up this year to get this team going. But if anyone can do it, Chico and his guys can.

    6. Kaiser. Not nearly as bad as the lower teams in the West. Compete hard and can knock down a shot here and there. If they were in the West they would contend, not in the East.

    7. McKinnley. If they couldn't win games last year with the talent they had, there is no way in hell they will this year. If they persist in sitting in a do nothing 2-3 zone every freakin game and do the same offensive set over and over again then it's going to be a very long year for the Tigers.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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