anybody have any ideas on why mid pac is doing so terrible?
some say that its the coaches fault others say that its the players and some even blame the refs..anybody got any ideas on why they did so bad
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Whats Wrong With Mid Pac
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Posted 2 years ago #
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Punahou, Iolani, Kamehameha, Kalaheo, Moanalua, are a few programs that have great coaches, tradition, learned how to win. Mid Pac is known for baseball, good coaching, tradition, learned how to win. Mid Pac hasn't set the standard for basketball.
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MPI has lost their last four games to following: Iolani (twice), Moanalua and Maryknoll. You can give them some slack for the Iolani and Moanalua losses, but the Maryknoll loss is the head scratcher.
They still have time to get things right but they better do it soon. As for who's to blame, does it really mater? Maybe the roster is not as good as we thought it was.
When it's all said and done, basketball is a players game, their the ones who make the decisions on the court. Coaches can get them to a certain point, then it's up to them to make plays and execute.
Winning the McKinley Tournament and the St Anthony's Holiday Tournament is not really a large feather in any ones hat.Posted 2 years ago # -
It's really a little early for finger pointing right now. You have to remember that this is a very new team. The coaches have only been in place for one year and with the exception of Drew Swanson's Mainland experience, none of the players have had any D1 Hawaii experience. Remember, last year MPI was very Senior-heavy and the school has a history of favoring seniors.
That's not to say they don't have quality talent - they do. Many of the players play year-round on club teams and have competed very successfully against top Mainland teams.
I agree that the McKinley tournament was a joke but the St. Anthony's tournament was a pretty decent challenge. They had a very good Mainland team in the mix - Harker's - which beat Hilo very handily. MPI beat Harkers by 25 points in the final game and just shot the lights out that night.
As for Maryknoll and Iolani, those were tough lessons. MPI took Maryknoll too lightly and paid the price. As for Iolani, you all know what it's like: change your shot by a fraction of a second and your percentage drops dramatically. Iolani did a great job of containing the bigs and pressuring everybody.
Give this team some time and you'll see them develop. Criticizing them now is like looking at the first floor of a skyscraper and wondering what the architect has in mind. MPI seems to have finally established a strong commitment to basketball. Over time I think we'll start seeing the results of that commitment. Hopefully before the end of this season.
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i have been told that mpi is trying to build a basketball tradition as seen on the girls side. they have been offering "tuition asistance" to quite a few athletes that being said when it is mpi vs punahou, mpi vs iolani or mpi vs kamehameha, mpi normally comes out on short side of the stick, can you blame parents for that! as said earlier it would be "nice" to see mpi win but i dont feel the playing field is level.next time you see one there shirts it says it all, "to go where we have never gone, we must do things we never done" and "the tradition starts here".
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I like the coaching staff. They seem like nice guys. I don't know their x's and o's, but as far as treating their players like young men, the coaching staff seems to be good.
Takes time to build a program.
USC Football is going to relive this experience very soon.
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Mid Pac is not that talented on the bench- they can go maybe 7-8 deep. Also, they are trying to play Patrick Matthews like Holyfield. Patrick Matthews has some talent but he is no Holyfield. Just doesn't have the same finishing speed on drives to the basket. He is also just an average shooter from the outside. They are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. When you have teams with athletic big guards or small athletic forwards like the Trevyn Tulonhari's and the Malik Johnson types (almost every team in the ILH has one)he won't score as much as anticipated. They are trying to upgrade the basketball talent with their "Athletic Aid Program" but it will take some time. Give Coach Hu some time and resources as promised by the administration and they will be able to play with the Big 3 in ILH DIV I. Coaching is about adjustments based on your talent and the schemes you put in and the skills and schemes of your opponents. These are really important if you are not Punahou, Kamehameha or Iolani and have the talented players year in and year out.
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Mid Pac has talent and I agree that players need to make it happen on the court. But I don't think we can say that once the players take the court the coaches are off the hook as far as being responsible for the outcome. Coaches need to properly prepare their teams for who they will play and to make sure that they have the right players on the court in order to counter their opponents and take advantage of opponent weaknesses. It shouldn't matter if the player is a senior or freshman. I was as shocked as everyone else when I first heard that Mid Pac lost to Maryknoll. But now I'm hearing that Maryknoll is much improved from last year, so I'm sure that was a factor. Mid Pac has all the components, when they finally bring them together I think they could be a team to be reckoned with.
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I think that Coach Hu doesn't have too much time to get these guys into gear. With Punahou, Iolani, and Kamehameha in mid season form, I don't see Mid Pac beating any of them anytime soon. And if they are gonna try and pull off a major upset in the playoffs good luck. It hasn't happen ever in Mid Pacific's case and I don't see it happening this year. There comes a point as a Coach when you have to answer these simple questions:
1. What is my team all about?
Are we average, are we above average, are we contenders, what do we do best?
2. What is my Philosophy?
Are we a half court team, are we a fast break team?If you didn't find that out in the preseason, then finding that out now is really too late. The season will go by so fast and without an identity already, will go by even faster. Just my humble opinion. I actually thought Mid Pacific was on their way in the Mene Extravaganza, but I am slowly starting to change my thoughts. I really do like Matthews and Swanson and I wish them better luck in the season. We will see.
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Good points Monkeybiz. It's important to note that MPI only had something like 9 practices in early December before going straight into 4 tournaments back to back with no practices in between. And they've only had a couple of practices since so there really hasn't been much time for any development at this point. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, changes are made in the program over the next couple of weeks. MB is right, the clock is ticking and what they've done so far hasn't worked at all.
I would take issue with Mr. Basketball though - you can't really say it's all up to the players. After all, it's the coaches who determine who will play when at what position and for how long. They also control which plays are run and, to some extent, how they are executed. And they should set the tone for the entire team by their demeanor. I have no issue with the demeanor of the MPI coaching staff. But I do think that they need to make some major realignments in the rotation and the playbook. When something isn't working you have to change it. And in this case, the sooner the better.
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JD. I think you said what I was trying to say, but better. Sorry for any mis-understanding. I totally agree with all of your comments. Especially regarding realignment in the rotation. Not sure if you'll agree with my comments on other streams regarding Keola Brown. But I'm a believer that he's a premier guard and should get more minutes. His only drawback is that he's a freshman. Mid Pac has so much potential. I'm just hoping that something will cause them to get it together soon.
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@ MrBasketball....you think he is a PREMIER guard? Really? Please explain. The word PREMIER means elite to me.
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@HF....I'm kinda new here so I don't know if my lingo matches your's and it might just be a case of symantics. I saw him play club ball last year and in my humble opinion he can do it all. Ball control, three point shooting, and leading a team. I think if he had more minutes his skills would draw greater recognition. I'm a Punahou fan. When I see a player like him it makes me wish we had him at Punahou. That's how I define premier. Punahou = premier and so I guess also elite. But that is my definition only. So it may just be different definitions. If you disagree with me then I respect that. My ID as "MrBasketball" means I'm a great fan, especially of my alma mater. I'm telling you this to let you know that I recognize that almost everyone else who logs on to this web site has more knowledge than me. I would just ask that if you disagree with me, that you be kind in how you word your reply as many students and their family members may read your reply and be offended unintentionally.
Some of the things I've read since making an account here have been cruel to the kids.
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Nah, I was just curious...good answer....
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Mr. B:
I watched Ola play in IM last year and I agree that he's very good. But it's a long way up from IM to D1 Vars and, IMHO, he needs some development time before he's fully ready for this level. He'll certainly help the team within the next year or two.
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maybe expectations was a little to high of them they dont have a team like they had last year but in the whole preseason people was doing nothing but comparing them to last years team instead of matching them up to there regular seasons oponets
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What number is the Brown kid? Saw Mid-Pac play the other night I know Kono and Dobovan, but don't know Brown.
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What can Brown do for you?
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Wat up Jones, big game tonight?
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get dropped off at the super bowl.
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Ola is #22
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Will take a look for him.
Coach Nate seems like a nice guy. Coach Lance too. Hopefully they can get the ship righted.
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hey guys... lance is one of my good friends and i was talking with him and i just got an update on MPI.
kono, matthews and matt reyes(sp) were pulled form starting line-up. 2 freshman and anothe rbig kid is starting for themPosted 2 years ago # -
JD-
It sounds like you know quite a bit about Mid-Pac basketball, so i would be more inclined to take you word for word. I wonder though why you think they should make major changes in their playbook and rotation? Didn't they have a fairly successful preseason? If i was coaching, i wouldn't change a thing going into the regular season. Got to go with what got you there.
Now, if things began to falter, i would consider tweaking the playbook here or there, or even the rotation - but to make major changes at this point? Sounds like desperation to me. Not a path i would take. But again, you seem to be closer to the situation (and more knowledgeable) than i am.
It's still very early in the ILH season, i'm sure the coaching staff there is working overtime to sort through their issues
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Yes, that's what I hear too: the new starting lineup is to include both freshmen and one other reserve. Several of the other boys don't believe this story - they think it's a ploy to shake up the starters. I'm inclined to agree because if they really try that lineup against St. Louis they'll get killed.
Matthews is not the problem - you won't find a harder working, more dedicated or coachable kid anywhere in the State. I'd be truly shocked if he really is left out of the Thursday game. Should be an interesting one to watch, if only to see what changes are or are not made.
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