...speaking for the BIIF, but also for some of the Oahu and Maui teams, there are some obvious star players, but in every game i've watched so far none have implimented the box and 1 defense or the triangle and 2... are these defenses not good anymore? am i old school already?
..what's the deal?.. help!!
..alright... ate lunch with a b-ball friend today and we had this discussion.. his answer is cause get plenty star players just on one team alone.. make sense.. like Keaau for example.. with the three headed monster in ishibashi, handy, and cazimaro.. better to play a help-man or zone.. got it..
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There are plenty of stars on the teams on Oahu too. Those types of defense are useful at times but you can't use that type of defense as your base D. A lot of the good coaches use their defense to dictate their offense and how the game is going to be played. Using a box and 1 or a triangle and 2 you are allowing the offense to dictate what you want to run. I am not sure if there are enough superstars in the state to implement these types of defense on a regular basis.
By the way Socrates glad that someone on here is talking about basketball strategy. I love to get into basketball strategy conversations. Too many post dealing with things that have nothing to do with basketball. Thanks for giving me something to do!
I have been watching the OIA this year and have seen quite alot of Box in 1's this year. With alot of great "guards", and not alot of great post players, I believe this is the reason why alot of coaches have gone back to using the box in 1 in the OIA...
I agree, these defenses are not a base defense, but it sure is a good change up defense to play a chess game with the opposing coach.
I saw a game last year when the triangle and 2 (a version of it...) was used against a skilled post player in the OIA white...It proved effective to take the ball away from the post player, but that team still lost because the guards on the perimeter got open looks the whole game...
You gotta practice these defenses, and have the right personel to execute it in my opinion...And of course, if you don't have to use, then don't...
We went to a little Diamond and 1 last night towards the end of the game. I was happy with the way that we played it since we have never really practiced it. I think you are right, you need to practice it for it to be more effective. Me personally I try to keep our D the same. If we have to switch our D every game, then that means that I don't have confidence in it. We try to make teams play our style and not the other way around. Last night we had to adjust our D a bit because of foul trouble. But our press seemed to bring us back into the game. Our team focuses more on D at practice than anything. We know that is the strength of our team.
I think that Coach Grant is great at implementing these type of Ds. You have seen it in the playoffs and at the state tourney. His teams play these Ds well.
..wow.. such great information guys.. thanks.. i've been using the box-1/traingle-2 at the 12 and under level cause usually there is only one or two really good players and the rest poor thing so we eat teams up with these offenses, but you folks are right that at the highschool level gotta be careful not making too many adjustments on defense cause then you're in "reactive" mode rather than playing your game..
..also back in highschool, because i was a streak shooter, i was boxed-and-one at times and loved it.. felt important and had fun cause I simply used the opposing players as screens, even used the referee at times just to play with the defense.. good fun..
..i suppose these defenses are good once in a while to present a different look to the offense.. knowing when, with who, and how long is key..
..mahalo
I don't think i've ever seen a box and 1 ever really work...Usually the opposing coach figures a way to score on it...
A box and 1 will work if the other team has one good player(not great) and the rest of the team is not very talented or do not know how to get open.
It will also work if the opposing team's coach does not know how to make adjustments to get players open.
Like I said before though I would not recommend using it on a regular basis.
Aaron Fernandez of Kalaheo was a constant subject of the box and 1 all season. Waipahu along with others played the box and 1 exclusively on Fernandez. Kalaheo lack of talent and experience done them in, nobody else can step up.
Someone needs to make adjustments so they can exploit that type of defense. They are not that deep of a team but they do have a couple of players who can get it done if used the right way.
...invictusmaneo25.. is there anything else besides screen's to exploit the box-1?
Overloads can work if you run them right, but one of the best ways is teaching kids how to seal in the zone. The box is easy to beat if kids know how to seal their defender. Many times post and guards are not taught how to seal their defend and then where the reads are if they are double teamed, but with a box it's hard to double the low or high post. The key to beating any type of zone defense is spacing and ball movement. To me not a big deal if the take a way the best player. The back side of the zone is always vulnerable with a good seal but players rarely make the look and the pass can be kind of difficult. It just needs to be practiced.
Movement of the ball along with a good seal will get the boxed player open for a shot or pass. If movement of the ball is slow, unnecessary dribbling, you will lose that seal. Like you said, players rarely make the look and scared to make a difficult pass.
Very well put StL! Totally agree.
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