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Worst Referees

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  • Started 2 months ago by Shaka
  • Latest reply from HoopFanatic

  1. Shaka
    Veteran

    It blows my mind how crappy the refs are. You know who the crappy one's are. The one's where you walk into the gym, see them, and you know you are in for a poorly officiated game! A lot of it starts with their attitude. Many of these refs are doing it just to collect a pay check. Often times due to laziness, some times due to blindness, other times becuase they cannot handle comments from the bench, but most times because they are morons, are the reasons why these refs are terrible! The worst is when everyone in the gym sees the play, and the ref blows it!

    I wish I knew all of there names, but I don't. Here are some of the one's I know.

    Matt Hoe
    Ramone
    Hottendorf
    Gochenauer

    Feel free to add to the list.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. HiSelect
    Member

    Wouldnt it be easier to name the good ones? There must be only what two or three if that.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Some of my favorite ones:

    Tony
    Ryan
    Morales (both)
    Donovan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. bballfan69
    Veteran

    I agree that it is easier to write the names of the good ones, the list wont be that long. I think that Tony is good, Ryan is good, and 1 of the Morales brothers. I dont agree with Donovan though. I have seen him blow some big calls. Also the guy that blew the call at the end of the MPI and STL playoff game at the end of the year. I cannot remember who it was but I do remember that Tony was right there with the correct call and this idiot came running in from half court to make the call under the basket. That call cost MPI the game. I remember sitting there and watching that game, I was at that end of the floor sitting right there with a perfect view and to see that call go the way it went was just unfair to MPI. Now granted if they could have made some FTs they wouldnt have been in that situation. But still it was one of the worst calls that I have ever seen made. I think that it was Gochenauer but I am not sure. Anyone know who made that call?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    I know it wasn't Gochenauer because he only does OIA. I remember that game 69, but I cannot recall the ref that overruled Tony.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. bballfan69
    Veteran

    Are you sure that there is not a Gochenauer in the ILH. I swear that is the guys name. I know the Gochenauer that you are talking about. It wasnt him but I think that the other guy is related or something.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. Shaka
    Veteran

    bballfan69, i couldn't agree with you more about your analysis of the refs, as well as the situation with Mid-Pac and St. Louis! He totally blew that call. The replay on tv clearly showed that! but i'm a little confused. i know you were at the game because maryknoll played first. but i thought you were sitting on the makai end of the risers, across from the markynoll bench.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. BasketballJones
    Veteran

    Hmm...I couldn't tell you if there is another Gochenauer in the ILH. The one I'm referring to is the big guy, kinda balding.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. hoopsitiz
    Veteran

    I think that ref you're talking about is the Dad of the girl who played for Moanalua. She was a stand out. I believe she graduated this year.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. HoopFanatic
    Member

    Are you talking about Silva? He refs in the OIA and his daughter graduated from MoHS a few years ago.

    I like Ryan Wells, but he doesn't ref much anymore. Tony C. is really good and has a good temperment. Donovan is a good guy, but he blew several calls in the Punahou-St. Louis 3rd place game a few years ago.

    I think Ryan S. is erratic and Apo seems to have his favorites. You know who was a really good ref, but hardly did it that much, except for a few ILH games, Llewellyn Smalley.

    I also agree that Matt Hoe might be the worst ref in the history of the state of Hawaii. I also thought there was a Asian Ref who used to coach in the Manoa league was bad. I can't remember his name, but he cost Cavan Scanlan a JV title when he was coaching at Kamehameha, giving him an unnecessary technical which ended giving Punahou a 6 point swing and all the momentum.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. bballfan69
    Veteran

    I think we can all admit that the worst refs all live on the Big Island. There are 1 maybe 2 that are good, but that is where the bad ones live

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. HiSelect
    Member

    Not if you're in the biif AND play against a team from somewhere else.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. 2Dhoop
    Member

    Not really a nice topic to talk about. But, what the hell! I don't know his name, he was a ref in the ILH summer league and NJB summer league this year. Just killed me with awful calls on a regular basis. Really favors Jeff Won's teams alot, big fat and sloppy, kinda local looking guy, losing his black kinda curly hair, wears a black knee brace and pants pulled half way up his belly and shirt tucked in front and out in the back, sweats like a pig, eats at anyones potluck. Sounds familiar to anyone because I'd like to know his name. When I see him before each game I literally get disgusted. "HEY! CALL A TIMEOUT AND GIVE THAT REF A TWINKY!"

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. HawaiiHoops
    Administrator

    Sounds like Tony Tyler...

    Did you know? Tyler was the athletic director at St. Francis until 2001. He was also the head coach of the girls basketball team and was named the ILH Division II Coach-of-the-Year in 1998, 1999 and 2001.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. BBaLLr4LIFE
    Member

    Jus' an observation after attending over forty years of bball games. There was and are some referees that call the game as it should be called, but I also personally witnessed games that were shockingly officiated by referees that thought that by donning the striped black n' whites, they now transformed into "do no wrong" & "call no wrong" GODS. The arogance some of these younger refs now carry onto the courts is just surprisingly egocentric. True, most refs are human, & do make mistakes, with an occassional bad or missed call, & try to inconspicuously correct it quickly by making a minor make-up call as soon as possible. We all seen it done many of times, & just laughed it off. But there are also some refs who would reverse a call from their obstructed or distant view, especially when the game is on the line, just to create unnecessary controversy with the player's, the coaches, and the fans. I've seen Ramone personally harrass and humiliate one player throughout the entire game with verbal warnings, called fouls, and pulling the older teenage player by his jersey to talk with the coach on the bench, because the player's composed father earlier questioned a minor call that was made by him (Ramone), with no explanation given, besides walking up to the bleachers & arogantly repeating the foul call directly to the father of that player, then snobbishly turning back around onto the court. I sometimes wonder why a person would want to be a referee? Is it for the purpose of having an athletic event, game, or contest judged & played fairly? Is it to uphold & police all the rules & regulations of an athletic event, game, or contest fairly? Could it be to make sure that you can lend a helping (dishonest) hand to sway or change the predicted results of an athletic event, game, or contest, for the unfair advantage of a certain team(s). Or could it be for the sole purpose of vengence (revenge) and getting back at athletes, coaches, and possibly schools, because possibly they felt that they were treated unfairly by always sitting on the end of the bench in high school, or possibly they felt that they were unfairly cut from the team sport tryouts, and they had this lifetime mission to payback all of those who get to play or coach the sport by being the referee that officiates the game with the final say of who gets to win unfairly, or lose by the same token? Lastly, do they become official referees to fuel their false egos or covet their insecurities by becoming someone of authority & power, who can call the shots at their very own discretion with no consequences right or wrong, fair or unfair, honest or dishonest? Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Think and wonder of this when you watch an oppressive or arogant (bad) referee in action. Poor sad, sad sole. Jus' my opinions & observations. You never know?

    ** SORRY SO LONG

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. campbellboy52
    Member

    referees make the games and allow football (roughness) to happen on the bball courts these days. kinda sad the days of finesse are almost gone.

    are refs scared to make games last long, like do they try to keep games as short as possible?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. AboveTheRim
    Member

    TONY TYLER! HE'S A JOKE!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. HoopFanatic
    Member

    The two worst refs in the state of Hawaii are Matt H. & Clay. Clay is a wannabe coach. Since he cannot get a ILH job he coaches youth leagues and takes it out on the ILH coaches. He is the one that hosed Cavan Scanlan from winning a JV championship a few years ago. He's a very unprofessional and incompetent official.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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